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SEMA model legislation (H.B. 890) that would create a vehicle registration classification for street rods and custom vehicles and provide for special license plates for these vehicles has been reintroduced in the Texas State Legislature. H.B. 890 defines a street rod as an altered vehicle manufactured before 1949 and a custom as an altered vehicle at least 25 years old and manufactured after 1948. The bill has been referred to the Texas House Transportation Committee for consideration.



We Urge You to Contact All Members of the Texas House Transportation Committee (List Attached Below) Immediately to Request Their Support for H.B. 890.

H.B. 890 provides specific registration/titling classes and license plates for street rods and customs, including replicas. Street rods are of a pre-1949 vintage; customs are of the post-1949 era.


H.B. 890 allows for the use of non-original materials and creates a titling and registration criterion that assigns these vehicles the same model year designation as the production vehicle they most closely resemble.


H.B. 890 only holds street rods, customs and replicas to the equipment standards specified by law during the model year listed on the title of the vehicle.


H.B. 890 recognizes the immeasurable amount of time, money and attention automotive enthusiasts invest in their hobby cars. Street rods, customs and replicas are the same crowd pleasers that participate in exhibitions and as parade vehicles, and whose owners regularly contribute to charities and civic events. This legislation represents an opportunity to acknowledge this family hobby and to protect it for future generations.
DON’T DELAY! Please contact members of the Texas House Transportation Committee of Representatives to urge support for H.B. 890.



Please e-mail a copy of your letters to Steve McDonald at [email protected]



Texas House Transportation Committee



Representative Larry Phillips - Chair
Phone: 512/463-0297
Email: [email protected]



Representative Drew Darby - Vice Chair
Phone: 512/463-0331
Email: [email protected]



Representative Dennis Bonnen
Phone: 512/463-056
Email: [email protected]



Representative Yvonne Davis
Phone: 512/463-0598
Email: [email protected]



Representative Allen Fletcher
Phone: 512/463-0661
Email: [email protected]



Representative Linda Harper-Brown
Phone: 512/463-0641
Email: [email protected]



Representative George Lavender
Phone: 512/463-0692
Email: [email protected]



Representative Armando Martinez
Phone: 512/463-0530
Email: [email protected]



Representative Ruth Jones McClendon
Phone: 512/463-0708
Email: [email protected]



Representative Joseph Pickett
Phone: 512/463-0596
Email: [email protected]



Representative Eddie Rodriguez
Phone: 512/463-0674
Email: [email protected]
 

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Dont really see the point of this bill.

You can already register, title and inspect replicas, kit cars and customs with ease in Texas.

Only cars that have to get sniffer test are 86-93 OBD-I cars. 60's replica kits are exempt and OBD-II just get the code scanner hooked up. And eventually the OBD-I cars will grandfather into emissions exemption with the 25 yr old clause.
 

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Dont really see the point of this bill.

You can already register, title and inspect replicas, kit cars and customs with ease in Texas.

Only cars that have to get sniffer test are 86-93 OBD-I cars. 60's replica kits are exempt and OBD-II just get the code scanner hooked up. And eventually the OBD-I cars will grandfather into emissions exemption with the 25 yr old clause.
The bill provides specific registration/titling classes and license plates for street rods and customs, including replicas. It also permits the use of non-original materials and creates a titling and registration criterion that assigns these vehicles the same model year designation as the production vehicle they most closely resemble. Moreover, HB890 only holds street rods, customs and replicas to the equipment standards specified by law during the model year listed on the title of the vehicle.
 

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The bill provides specific registration/titling classes and license plates for street rods and customs, including replicas. It also permits the use of non-original materials and creates a titling and registration criterion that assigns these vehicles the same model year designation as the production vehicle they most closely resemble. Moreover, HB890 only holds street rods, customs and replicas to the equipment standards specified by law during the model year listed on the title of the vehicle.
The only thing that is changing is the custom license plates.

Cobra kits cars are already registered as 1960 Cobra's and current older cars are already exempt for newer safety and emissions requirements.

The DPS safety inspection stations are very easy to work with on older custom hot rods, classics and unusual kit cars and usually know more than the titling offices.

Like I said, its not really doing anything. Nice to see them giving it a little attention, but just dont see the fuss. Texas is pretty easy except for the OBD-I cars that have to get sniffer up the tail pipe test.
 

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The only thing that is changing is the custom license plates.

Cobra kits cars are already registered as 1960 Cobra's and current older cars are already exempt for newer safety and emissions requirements.

The DPS safety inspection stations are very easy to work with on older custom hot rods, classics and unusual kit cars and usually know more than the titling offices.

Like I said, its not really doing anything. Nice to see them giving it a little attention, but just dont see the fuss. Texas is pretty easy except for the OBD-I cars that have to get sniffer up the tail pipe test.
All vehicles registered as 25 years old and older in Texas are exempt from emissions testing. The SEMA model bill ensures that kit cars, street rods and customs are titled as the year that they resemble and treated the same as vehicles originally manufactured in that model year. Many issues arise when titling home-built or custom built vehicles, including requirements for bonded titles and requirements placed on vehicles that are “reconstructed” or “rebuilt” from salvage. It is important that street rods and customs, including kit cars and replicas, do not get grouped into the same category as “reconstructed” or “rebuilt” vehicles or be forced to get bonded titles. Here is an example of how “reconstructed” vehicles (which currently includes hot rods) are treated in the Texas Manual for Operation of Official Vehicle Inspection Stations:

"The year model of a reconstructed vehicle will be the same year in which it was reconstructed and not the year of original manufacture. Therefore, the inspection requirements would be for the model year of the vehicle (same as the year of reconstruction) or the year model of the engine itself, whichever is the later model."

Your comments on kit cars may reflect a positive personal experience, but it is at the discretion of the Texas Dept. of Transportation as to what model year a kit vehicle gets titled. Here is an excerpt from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety’s website:

"Kit Kars
Vehicles have to meet the emissions standards for the year the vehicle is assembled. Vehicle manufacturers have to certify that their vehicles meet EPA emissions standards. A lot of kit car manufacturers also comply with this requirement. If you purchase one of these kit cars, follow the instructions on assembly, including the emissions components. You should be able to pass an emissions test just like any other new car.

Just as the EPA does not allow an individual to reverse engineer a vehicle to defeat emission standards, they do not allow an individual to build a brand new "old" vehicle to bypass emissions standards. It is possible if you actually use old parts (like a 1965 engine, or complete 60s frame and powertrain) that the
vehicle will be registered as that model year (replica), but this is a TxDOT issue. However it is registered, is how DPS inspection stations will test it."
 

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from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety’s website:

"Kit Kars
Vehicles have to meet the emissions standards for the year the vehicle is assembled. Vehicle manufacturers have to certify that their vehicles meet EPA emissions standards. A lot of kit car manufacturers also comply with this requirement. If you purchase one of these kit cars, follow the instructions on assembly, including the emissions components. You should be able to pass an emissions test just like any other new car.

Just as the EPA does not allow an individual to reverse engineer a vehicle to defeat emission standards, they do not allow an individual to build a brand new "old" vehicle to bypass emissions standards. It is possible if you actually use old parts (like a 1965 engine, or complete 60s frame and powertrain) that the
vehicle will be registered as that model year (replica), but this is a TxDOT issue. However it is registered, is how DPS inspection stations will test it."
Yeah, I have seen that on the DPS website as well. It's actually wrong.
Kit cars in Texas always have been and still are titled as the year they most closely resemble and not when they were assembled and hence only subject to limited EPA rules

You just have to know what you are doing to make sure it is titled properly and is not titled incorrectly as the year it was assembled by some clerk that doesnt know what they are doing.


As stated below even the DOT supervisor concede the states system is a mess.
Perhaps this law is too clarify how the process is already done with the correct inside knowledge.



Texas Title, Registration and Emissions Questions - Page 2 - Club Cobra

So I just got off the phone with a supervisor in Austin who laid it all out, all the while conceding that the state is *&^%$ up and inconsistent. Generally speaking, the process madmaxx and SSSammy detail is correct:

1. If you have a finished kit that you bought brand new from a kit supplier, you better have the MSO/MCO. If you don't, then you will need a bill of sale for all the sub-components and will have to follow step #2 below. Their sole goal, besides being a pain in the ass, is to be sure you aren't using stolen parts.

2. If you build a car from absolute scratch or assemble it from subcomponents (like a frame from one builder and a body from another,) you will need receipts for these large items as well as the engine, and you need serial # pencil traces from each, if they have them. You then complete the forms noted above, have it inspected and weighed and apply for an Assembled Vehicle Title and the year of the vehicle will be whatever year you apply. Unless you have something to substantiate that its a replica of a Cobra (such as the insurance card and/or safety inspection green receipt,) then there will be no reference to "Cobra" on your title. The VIN will likely be whatever is pencil-traced off of the frame. If there isn't one, TXDOT will generate one for you. If your pencil trace is CSX 3040, then that will likely be your VIN.

3. Effective as soon as TXDPS can start enforcing it, all of these kit cars are going to have to go to a waiver station for inspection if you are trying to register it in an emissions county. In other words, they are trying to stop people from being able to inspect them at a Kwik-Lube or "Pappa Joe's Inspections Inc." The waiver stations have been advised to inspect it as the year for which it is a replica, in this case a ''66 or '67, and to do a safety inspection only, making it exempt from emissions inspection.

4. If you buy an assembled vehicle from out of state, Texas will title it exactly as it is titled in the other state. So for example if I am looking at a Superformance in Ohio that is titled only as a "2007 Assembled vehicle," that is what Texas will use. They will not add any Cobra reference unless its already on the title.

4. For those of you who have a replica titled as a real Cobra, meaning not as an assembled vehicle, they are going to try and chase you down and make you get your car retitled. That should only take them about 50 years or so.

Regarding taxes:

1. If you buy an existing built kit that is already titled, you will be charged 6.25% sales tax on the selling price by the DMV when you title it (unless you buy it from a dealer, in which case they will charge you tax at the time of sale.)

2. If you assembled the vehicle yourself and apply for a title as such, regardless of whether you bought it from a kit maker or gathered up the parts yourself, you do not pay TX vehicle sales tax because as Francis stated, its assumed you already paid sales tax on the items. If you buy the items out-of-state, all the better for you. So if any of you paid TX vehicle sales tax at 6.25% when you titled your car, you got boned.

Now I think all of this BS is withstanding the diligence of the person sitting in front of you when you show up to title it. My position now is as madmaxx stated, get the insurance as a '65/'66/'67 Cobra, get it safety inspected at a waiver station as the same (or at your local inspection station if they will do it) and then apply for an AV title, and you should be able to have the replica year/make/model notated on the title without an argument. But if you are asked to concede to an emissions inspection, run like hell to a waiver station because they know not to require emissions on a replica, regardless of the fact that their website says its now required.
 

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Spam politics.

Spamolitics.
 

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You guys seen what the politics section has degenerated into lately ?

SEMA you can post in the lounge all you want as far as I care.
 

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HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!!!!!
 

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In order to provide maximum impact at the Texas House Transportation Committee hearing, it is important that enthusiasts pack the room with supporters of HB890 for Wednesday’s committee hearing. HB890 is based on SEMA model legislation and creates a vehicle titling and registration classification for street rods and custom vehicles.

The House Transportation Committee meeting will be Wednesday, March 16 at 8:00 a.m. at the following address:

Capitol Extension Hearing Room E2.028
Austin, TX 78701

If you are accessible to the state capitol or have a strong interest in seeing this bill approved by the legislature, please make plans to attend.
 
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