I agree. The stock 94-98 v6 headers and 99-04 manifolds flow remarkably well. Not worth upgrading until you're running some serious power3.8ICEMAN said:The stock headers are a good unit unless your really pushing some seriouls horsepower out of you V6 DON'T WASTE YOUR $. The stock short tube headers are good up to like 275-300hp any higher and yes you would want long tubes. Don't get shorty headers either. Shorty = complete waste!