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We are trying to wrap up the shootout heads up class rules by the beginning of next week and we would like to hear your thoughts. Again, the details listed below are themes that must be met. All other rules will be taken into consideration. Mike and or John Tymensky please call me at 412-937-7702 to discuss your situation. Barry Shepard I'll be contacting you as well.

In case you haven't heard here are the classes

Pro Mod- Run what you brung and hope you brought enough. Factory steel frame only, no tubular chassis.

Renegade - Similar NMRA/FFW rules but with rules that favor mod motored cars. 8 ribs ok, 3" sleeve required, no powerglides, modified stock intakes ok.

Radial - No slicks, drag radials allowed, Renegade rules

Factory Stock - No Bob Cosby! :D, NMRA factory stock rules

4vpa - Class for real street 4v power adder cars. Have the capability to be driven daily if desired.

4vna - Class for real street 4v naturally aspired cars. Have the capability to be driven daily if desired.


2vpa - Class for real 2v power adder street cars. Have the capability to be driven daily if desired.


2vna - Class for real 2v naturally aspired street cars. Have the capability to be driven daily if desired.
 

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Those classes look great Dave. I would like to know if you have decided about weight breaks in 2v power adder. I would really like to race it or 2v na. I can guarentee I will be there for some class though:)
 

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Would it possible to post some of the proposed changes so far? I know there was some talk about lowering the minimum weight in some classes.

2V NA Class Suggestions
*3200 lb minimum weight
*Weight penalty for SVO heads

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Bill

Right now all that is up for discussion. If you think it should be structured a certain way please propose your ideas.
I am all ears to all proposed rule structuring right now. I didnt want to get to involved before hearing the racers because sometimes the best ideas come from the racers.
 

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SVO heads??

Please Dave tell me tell me there are no restrictions for the SVO heads in the 2V N/A group? How aggressive are we allowed with our cams? Also Dave it's not going to take a 12.5 to win this year but a 12.3 :) heehee

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Dave King said:
Pro Mod- Run what you brung and hope you brought enough. Factory steel frame only, no tubular chassis.
And they better bring more than enough, I know I will :D

Seriously though, you might want to do a breakdown of all the rules by class insted of a breief overview.
 

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Here is what I propose.

2v power adder

*nitrous base weight-3000
*supercharger&turbo - 3400

*deduct 100 for drag radials
*deduct 50 for et streets


Let all motor combinations in with no rules on what can be done to the motor( maybe run a cubic inch policy were you add weight per cubic inchs over 281, like hot street). Any headers should be allowed and pass through mufflers, stock type suspension, any read end, maybe a maximnume tire size, must have 2 seat, and must have the proper saftey equipment for your et.

Just some suggestions:)
 

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heehee raven

Hmm Joe I think Bill and I should just slip in a two pound sandbag in your trunk while your be destracted by a few hooter girls. Grab his keys Bill heehee
 

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Re: Re: Mod Shootout racers heres your chance to be heard

Joe Stewart said:


And they better bring more than enough, I know I will :D

Seriously though, you might want to do a breakdown of all the rules by class insted of a breief overview.
Joe I want to run my car in Pro Mod this year, John will be driving it. What is fair for me to run the class? I don't want the money, but can I still compete in the class? Would John be able to take home the money if he was the driver? What would be fair to all?
 

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What I'd like to hear more from racers is there input on which transmissions should be allowed in which class. What should be the base weight requirements, and what type of equipment should get weight penalities or weight breaks.
 

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I like Factory Stock with NMRA rules in effect. Maybe give the 2V guys a little more weight break (3100) just to make it more interesting and enticing. I feel sorry for those guys who want to run in NMRA with 2V's. Very hard to be competative. I hope to be there but that depends on the NMRA schedule.
 

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Street classes should run a overdrive trans ,manual or auto.No trans brakes on auto .Race automatics,9" converters and trans brakes are not something you see on street cars..Al
 

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Re: SVO heads??

craig97GT said:
Please Dave tell me tell me there are no restrictions for the SVO heads in the 2V N/A group? How aggressive are we allowed with our cams? Also Dave it's not going to take a 12.5 to win this year but a 12.3 :) heehee

Craig
I guess you could look at it two ways. One being that both you and John could easily go to the shootout and be running 11.9 to 12.2 with your SVO parts where as I expect the rest of us to be in the 12.6 to 13.2 range. So a one to two hundred pound weight penalty for people using SVO parts would slow you down a couple tenths but still would have a clear advantage over anyone running stock 99 up heads/intakes. It would also make things a little closer, no one wants to see an 11.9 car against a 12.9 car.

The other direction would be it's a heads up class for 2Vs so anything goes. Of course from my perspective if a couple of guys with 80-90 more RWHP were showing up with the same base weight why would anyone even show up? I'll be there regardless to help you steal Joes keys while the Hooters girls are keeping him busy. :D

Cams would be a hard thing to regulate since it would be too hard for tech to check them. If someone tried to pass through tech with SVO heads it would be noticable.

Craig and John (if you read the board anymore) nothing against either of you but your cars are perfect examples. Both make great power using the best of parts and I think everyone here can appreciate that (I know I do). Last year I would have loved to run Joe in the final instead of Bart (no offense) because it would have been much closer. People at the track and racers like close races.

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HIPSI said:
I like Factory Stock with NMRA rules in effect. Maybe give the 2V guys a little more weight break (3100) just to make it more interesting and enticing. I feel sorry for those guys who want to run in NMRA with 2V's. Very hard to be competative. I hope to be there but that depends on the NMRA schedule.
I would also suggest maybe let the 2Vs run long tubes. I think this would be a fair demand since it would be such a challenge to get a 2V to run those #s with shorties. It will probally still be a cobra class though, not any 2V out there I know of that could run 12.2s with factory stock rules.
 

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I hear ya Bill, I would've loved to have run you for the final, but things worked out weird.

In the future Dave, one more suggestion. When you say you can only run 1 (one, uno) class, keep people to that! No more switching classes after you have run qualifying runs.

I don't know what Leo's plans are for his car, as I haven't seen him on here, but if he is competing, he will be a force to reckon with also.

Dave, contact me please, concerning the work for this year.
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I would also suggest maybe let the 2Vs run long tubes. I think this would be a fair demand since it would be such a challenge to get a 2V to run those #s with shorties. It will probally still be a cobra class though, not any 2V out there I know of that could run 12.2s with factory stock rules.
You can run 2V with Longtubes. I did last year, that is not a restriction.

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Here are my feelings about the 2vna class.

Its a street class. Things like Jerico transmissions, powerglides,
Hogan sheet metal intakes, 4 links, spools, etc should be the parts in question.

I feel any performance part (Heads, intake, TB, mass air, computer, electronics, exhaust) part that is readily available should be allowed without pentality unless.................
1. It is expensive beyond believe that no average person can afford it.
2. Not a practical modification
3. Takes away from the street theme.


I can't simply pentilize a cylinder head if it makes more power.
From what I understand the stock cylinder heads can make great power? Isnt that what Spence is running? I can understand 5.0 spray bore blocks, and stroker kits getting pentilized, but isn't the goal here to be able to get the most power out of the parts that are readily available?


My thoughts on transmission issues. A C4 with a transbrake will not give a fair advantage over a 5 speed. I think Ben Dorn proved that with his car. A C4 can still be driven daily, not the most practical transmission to do so but I know several that do. Again the definition of streetible is a loose word.

My definition of streetible is this....................
1. Is able to go to the grossary store and car cruize.
2. Will not get pulled over by the police because of noise.
3. Can make at least a 15-20 mile trip.(requires street suspension)
4. Will not melt in the rain.
5. Can maintain a decent idle.
 
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