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So what would it take to swap one into an sn95?

are all the ecoboost v6s from F150s?
Can anyone find links to a fox or sn95 swap? (I couldn't)

does anyone make a control pack?
Do they need an electric gas pedal?

I'd sure like to have three or four hundred rwhp, cleaner emissions, and 30mpg.
 

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Look up AJ Hartman's American iron build. He just started a swap on his new edge.

He's using an f150 ecoboost 3.5 and a 3.7L L mustang trans
 

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Yeah from what I've read the factory ecu does not like being swapped to another car.

You can probably find a standalone from haltech or someone else for a little cheaper than that one listed but you still need wiring and tune
 

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We're in the process of designing k-members for both a Fox and SN95 Mustang swap. The basic design has been done for a long time, but FRPP only recently released the controls pack for the engine, so now we can really move forward.

AJ is using the 3.7l version of the MT82 because it bolts right on, is cheap and will handle the power of a detuned engine. He has to detune the engine to be within the power to weight and torque to weight rules of AI. For virtually anyone else doing the swap, they should use a TKO500/600 or a T56. The MT82 is not going to last long with the engine making 500lbs-ft of torque.
 

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You could just poo on the ford racing controls pack and go with the 6R80 that comes behind the f150 motor.

The pats system can be disabled in the stock pcm's now, opening up the door to easier swaps.
 

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Performance Automatic offers a stand alone controller for the 6R80 trans that will work in conjunction with the Ford Performance controls pack.
 

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Is a 6R80 going to fit in a Fox or SN95 tunnel? I've not seen one beside an AOD or 4R70 to compare.


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No write ups yet. This car is a test bed for the Ford Performance Coyote power module with the 6R80 trans. It will be a kit that will be available around August of this year. The engineers are working on the calibration of the auto transmission now.
 

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No write ups yet. This car is a test bed for the Ford Performance Coyote power module with the 6R80 trans. It will be a kit that will be available around August of this year. The engineers are working on the calibration of the auto transmission now.
Yeah, I just chatted with ferd racing and left extremely mad.

They are working on the control pack for automatic applications but they will ONLY work with 2015+ motors and transmissions, won't work with earlier applications due to differences in hardware and electronics and they have no plans to support earlier applications!

I let them know how STUPID I thought that was and disconnected from the chat.

Wish I could talk to the guy making those decisions, I'd give him an earful.

Almost enough to make me want to go for an LS swap...:curses:
 

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Unfortunately the 2011-2014 engine is no longer available to buy from Ford. That is why they are doing the kit for 15 and newer.

I am the supervisor of the Ford Performance tech you were chatting with.

Look up a company called power by the hour in Florida. They have a kit for the 11-14 engine with automatic trans.

Performance automatic also has a controller to run the trans independently.
 

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Unfortunately the 2011-2014 engine is no longer available to buy from Ford. That is why they are doing the kit for 15 and newer.

I am the supervisor of the Ford Performance tech you were chatting with.

Look up a company called power by the hour in Florida. They have a kit for the 11-14 engine with automatic trans.

Performance automatic also has a controller to run the trans independently.
I still don't understand why ford racing can't or won't do a controller kit for the earlier application since there are thousands upon thousands of 11-14 coyotes, truck and Mustangs, in salvage yards just waiting to be transplanted into other cars and all could use a harness kit. I don't understand why ford racing would turn their back on so many possible customers. That's not good business.

As to PBH, if they have a kit, it isn't shown on their website, if you have inside info please share it.

As to PA's controller, too pricey, plus I really don't want to have to have two pcm's to control the combo.
 

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I think that people don't understand the position that FR is in.

A large number of their products and technology rely on hand me down from production applications. Once these products are no longer being used in current models, FR's leverage to get these made drops massively. Their ability to piggyback onto an existing platform's engineering team also goes away when that engineering team gets disbanded.

I think you are also way overestimating the sales potential. There are tens of thousands of LSx engines sitting in junkyards, but the number of Mustangs with LSx swaps is still a tiny, tiny amount compared to the number of modified Mustangs. The same is true of Coyote swaps. Adding an automatic transmission behind that drops the numbers by another factor of ten.

Given limited resources, it makes sense for FR to concentrate on parts that could be used on any of the 200,000 Mustangs sold each year, by the average person.
 

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I think that people don't understand the position that FR is in.

A large number of their products and technology rely on hand me down from production applications. Once these products are no longer being used in current models, FR's leverage to get these made drops massively. Their ability to piggyback onto an existing platform's engineering team also goes away when that engineering team gets disbanded.

I think you are also way overestimating the sales potential. There are tens of thousands of LSx engines sitting in junkyards, but the number of Mustangs with LSx swaps is still a tiny, tiny amount compared to the number of modified Mustangs. The same is true of Coyote swaps. Adding an automatic transmission behind that drops the numbers by another factor of ten.

Given limited resources, it makes sense for FR to concentrate on parts that could be used on any of the 200,000 Mustangs sold each year, by the average person.
But, the control pack and the engine/trans packages will NOT be used on any of those 200,000 Mustangs sold each year. They are strictly for the guy hot rodding an older car, they are not emissions compliant or certified.

And, if ford racing is only going to support parts for current engines/transmissions, why do they still offer all the old school pushrod stuff? Or are they going to drop all that stuff, no more pushrod crate engines...

Oh well, it's alright, I'll make my combo work, no thanks to ford.
 
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