once you go turbo you don't go back. why? - Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 10:57 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: ABQ, NM
Posts: 327
once you go turbo you don't go back. why?

every time i talk to a guy who has had both turbo and a supercharger
that all say thay will never go back to a blower.

why do you guys think this is?
whats so much better about a turbo then a charger?


--88 mustang gt, 5 speed, with mass air converson,vortech v3 sci pushing 5 to 6 psi, 3.73 gears, alum drive shaft, full exhaust, short throw, other wise stock
nmstangmelvin is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 11:12 AM
Registered User
 
turbo'dnotch's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Farmington, NM
Posts: 118
Peak torque much much much earlier in the powerband. POwer isnt as RPM dependant as a blower (depending on type of blower). And cooler sounds


1993 Coupe
BG CUSTOM TURBO Single MPT70
MS2 V3, EEC adapter board
FordStrokers 331, Complete UPR suspension
turbo'dnotch is offline  
post #3 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 11:58 AM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Houston, Tx.
Posts: 4,744
Superchargers take power to make power
Turbos use wasted exhaust gases to make power.
You can feel the difference

Most of the time people will intercool a turbo install too and
not on the s/c. Also makes a big difference in power

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep sitting down and voting on whats for lunch.
r.barn is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 01:00 PM
Registered User
 
trbofox's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Erie,Pa.
Posts: 575
The difference is llike a freight train, I can blow the tires off @ 70 MPH. It made over 500rwhp. and 622 rear wheel torque [email protected] lbs. of boost, heck I still have 10 lbs. left. This HP turbo set up made 25RWHP/lb. of boost.

1993 Notchback --- HPT60 Street Turbo Kit---512rwhp/622 [email protected]
Cover/Feature November 2007 MM&FF Magazine
Feature Sept. 2008 Mustang Enthusiast Mag.
Featured April 2005 5.0 Mustang Magazine
trbofox is offline  
post #5 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 01:23 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: ABQ, NM
Posts: 327
i read about your stand in mm&ff. great ride

--88 mustang gt, 5 speed, with mass air converson,vortech v3 sci pushing 5 to 6 psi, 3.73 gears, alum drive shaft, full exhaust, short throw, other wise stock
nmstangmelvin is offline  
post #6 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 04:12 PM
Registered User
 
fred50stang's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Newnan GA
Posts: 407
When I ever get the extra money, I will be putting twins on my cobra. I wouldnt even consider another supercharger. For the money, ease of power, seat of the pants feel, and coolness factor, I am a turbo guy.

And like said before, some people are only using 10lbs or whatever and well...you can get more boost with the twist of a knob. In my case I am only using 65% of what my turbo is capable of. I have a lot of room to get greedy.
fred50stang is offline  
post #7 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 07:04 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (22)
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 609
I recently went from an s-trim to a hellion turbo kit (same boost) although i haven't dynoed it with the turbo yet it feels like it makes so much more power. the one thing with the turbo kit is it took alot more time to install then a blower and it took a while to tune compared to my blower setup.

Mike
chargedWS6 is offline  
post #8 of 27 Old 10-11-2007, 10:14 PM
Registered User
 
Trader Feedback: (4)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Mitchell SD
Posts: 123
I didnt pay much attention to all the hype on turbo's untill I got one. Now I want to turbo everything. My old gt-my lawnmower- my fiancee's minivan-- my escort (hey-it gets good milage)- . I would never waste my time again with any other kind of power adder -- im sold on turbo. The transition in power when the turbo's spool up is incredible. The power is there whenever you want it-- and not when you dont. Its deffinently something you have to experience to appreciate.

2000 GT- Twin turbo's by Young Per. Sold
2003 Cobra- Kenne bell- my baby
studlyisme is offline  
post #9 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 02:47 AM
Registered User
 
slo5.0.'s Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (14)
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 1,121
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol WELL SAID

The only thing better about a centri is the price $
slo5.0. is offline  
post #10 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 10:21 AM
Registered User
 
millhouse's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (9)
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Simpsonville, SC
Posts: 3,209
Quote:
Originally Posted by slo5.0. View Post
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol WELL SAID

The only thing better about a centri is the price $
Not so much anymore. There are quality kit's coming from reputable makers going for high $2k/low $3k including intercooler! Id say right now the biggest drawback is the lead time to get them. There is typically a wait time on the turbo kit's of several weeks, so it will require a bit of patience.


2016 Ruby Red Mustang GT PP
Prior Cars
1989 Mustang Notch - Twin Turbo - 500RWHP, 1996 Mustang Cobra, 1994 Mustang GT Vert - 408w
millhouse is offline  
post #11 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 10:34 AM
Turbo Wizard
 
snipe656's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Houston, Tx, USA
Posts: 4,289
I actually can think of a few people who have gone back. Each for their own personal reasons. The only one I can think of given a reason believe he stated that he just got tired of constantly messing with the thing.

--Admiral Aaron

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
snipe656 is offline  
post #12 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 10:40 AM
Registered User
 
slowstang101's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (7)
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Macon, GA
Posts: 4,375
Quote:
Originally Posted by snipe656 View Post
I actually can think of a few people who have gone back. Each for their own personal reasons. The only one I can think of given a reason believe he stated that he just got tired of constantly messing with the thing.
What is there to mess with if everythings done right?

Dart Blocked SBF, PT106mm, Callies Magnum Crank, Oliver billet rods. New top end package in the works
slowstang101 is offline  
post #13 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 10:50 AM
Turbo Wizard
 
snipe656's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Houston, Tx, USA
Posts: 4,289
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowstang101 View Post
What is there to mess with if everythings done right?
I dunno why don't you ask that to all the guys constantly dealing with their cars, seems to be quite a bit of them over on tm.com

--Admiral Aaron

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
snipe656 is offline  
post #14 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 11:01 AM
Registered User
 
millhouse's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (9)
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Simpsonville, SC
Posts: 3,209
Quote:
Originally Posted by snipe656 View Post
I dunno why don't you ask that to all the guys constantly dealing with their cars, seems to be quite a bit of them over on tm.com
While that is somewhat of a true statement…it may not be for the reason in question. It seems a great deal of us over there do every last bit of work on the cars ourselves. As such, it turns into an eternal work in progress as we can never be happy just leaving it alone. We also seem to love tuning ourselves…which needless to say is a never-ending search for the best balance, times etc. On top of everything else…it seems that in typical turbo greedy fashion, we can't leave the boost level be. As such, the tune must change…fuel upgrades must happen…and ultimately…things start breaking.
millhouse is offline  
post #15 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 11:16 AM
Turbo Wizard
 
snipe656's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Houston, Tx, USA
Posts: 4,289
I think some people go back because of getting greedy with the power and tired of constantly trying to keep their car going as a daily driver with a budget that can not afford to do everything 100% right. I think some people go back just because of bad experiences with some turbo kit companies be it because of customer server, build quality, flawed kit designs, or all of the above.

I am sure there are many other reasons, all i can do is speculate but I do know I have seen people who have gone back. Actually I just thought of another person who went back and as I understood his reasons were because he fought with getting the turbo setup settled out for his predefined goals and finally step back and decided he could get to his goals quite easily with a KB on his 2V and then finally enjoy the car at those goals vs constantly dealing with the issues that almost all stemmed from a poorly design kit sold by a company that supposeably did things the right way.

Asking why people never go back in a turbo specific section of a forum is really going to limit the possibility of someone actually chiming in as to why they went back. Although I doubt you would get a whole lot of responses in other sections but maybe I am wrong.

--Admiral Aaron

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
snipe656 is offline  
post #16 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 12:48 PM
Registered User
 
slowstang101's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (7)
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Macon, GA
Posts: 4,375
Quote:
Originally Posted by snipe656 View Post
I dunno why don't you ask that to all the guys constantly dealing with their cars, seems to be quite a bit of them over on tm.com
like everyone said...you get greedy and boost isnt very friendly on parts when something as simple as a fuel filter being clogged will damage pistons instantaneously. I've been there with the Novi 2k and burned up 3 pistons. Now i've got a gt47-88 and im completely happy with it.

The real issue is when you start playing with high hp cars unreliablity comes into play no matter what you build, thats why none of these cars are daily drivers. Sure you may be able to take them out and drive them for a weekend, but its still a high maintance car no matter how you look at it, supercharged or not.

Dart Blocked SBF, PT106mm, Callies Magnum Crank, Oliver billet rods. New top end package in the works
slowstang101 is offline  
post #17 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 03:35 PM
Registered User
 
trbofox's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Erie,Pa.
Posts: 575
I don't know if I'm the odd one here but... I have had this turbo setup for 4 years now and it has been reliable to the tune of 25K miles, honestly we have driven the car to FFW Atlanta, 3 times to NMRA Jolliet, Ill.,3 times to WFC in St. Louis,Petersburgh, Va. all from Erie,Pa. Yes, I have replaced clutches, stock rearend,stock trany, but the past 3 years with beefy upgrades the car is very reliable.

1993 Notchback --- HPT60 Street Turbo Kit---512rwhp/622 [email protected]
Cover/Feature November 2007 MM&FF Magazine
Feature Sept. 2008 Mustang Enthusiast Mag.
Featured April 2005 5.0 Mustang Magazine
trbofox is offline  
post #18 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 04:25 PM
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 332
How about i show you, just watch and listen! THis is a video of my car.

Car went 8.33 @ 168 this past saturday at cecil, street driven often!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5...ba0159d880.htm

Last edited by 1quick6; 10-12-2007 at 04:28 PM.
1quick6 is offline  
post #19 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 07:55 PM
Registered User
 
trbofox's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Erie,Pa.
Posts: 575
Thankyou, awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

1993 Notchback --- HPT60 Street Turbo Kit---512rwhp/622 [email protected]
Cover/Feature November 2007 MM&FF Magazine
Feature Sept. 2008 Mustang Enthusiast Mag.
Featured April 2005 5.0 Mustang Magazine
trbofox is offline  
post #20 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 08:20 PM
Registered User
 
trbofox's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Erie,Pa.
Posts: 575
Crap I saw you win true street @ Atco you ROCK!!!!

1993 Notchback --- HPT60 Street Turbo Kit---512rwhp/622 [email protected]
Cover/Feature November 2007 MM&FF Magazine
Feature Sept. 2008 Mustang Enthusiast Mag.
Featured April 2005 5.0 Mustang Magazine
trbofox is offline  
post #21 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 08:52 PM
 
Trader Feedback: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1quick6 View Post
How about i show you, just watch and listen! THis is a video of my car.

Car went 8.33 @ 168 this past saturday at cecil, street driven often!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5...ba0159d880.htm
come on now... why do you have to tease us?? i wanna see it accelerate!!



my .02:

turbos are the only reason i am still in love with cars.. the feel of the power the drivablity and they are very simple. easy to make it yourself. I built my own twin turbo kit a few years ago by myself.


i drove the car everyday and it was the only car i owned lol.. there was fuel issues with the car but no issues with the turbo set up. i drove it for a year or so then it blew up (my fault. i reved it to high with no fuel ...) i was upset and so i parted out the car.. i then bought a gen 2 lightning! that was fun.. 12's at the track on street tires not bad.. i wanted to turbo that... but was turned off because the weight.. so this last year at car craft summer nationals in ,mn i sold it.. the next week i bought my buddys 2 63mm turbos that he made over 1,000rwhp with then i bought a '91 notch just to put them on

and thats where i sit now.. im building a 392ci motor and making my car as light as possible.. here in mn we have many 1,000+rwhp daily drivers around so i have to get the edge somewhere..


holy crap... im writing too much... anyway i have ridden in 800hp supercharged cars and it just doesnt feel the same.. when a turbo spools it feels like the car wants to jump off the ground!!

Last edited by blkperl; 10-12-2007 at 08:57 PM.
blkperl is offline  
post #22 of 27 Old 10-12-2007, 09:07 PM
Formerly TimmieG
 
Trader Feedback: (27)
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Miami , FL
Posts: 700
Personally i've gone in rides in a few supercharged cars and although power is power - you can always squeeze more out of the setup with the right turbo(s). Also its become pretty damn cheap to turbo a car IMO, if your wallet is really skinny (as is mine) you can always piece one together, fabricating the headers yourself and such - my setup ran me $2600 including pretty much all new parts, HKS EVC 5, EEC tuner, yadda yadda yadda - it was really cheap for what it is and was pieced together over a 10 months period.

Then ofcourse are all the cool sounds....

I'm still also a firm believe in Nitrous though. Turbo > Nitrous > Superchargers - thats how it breaks down to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by studlyisme View Post
I didnt pay much attention to all the hype on turbo's untill I got one. Now I want to turbo everything. My old gt-my lawnmower- my fiancee's minivan-- my escort (hey-it gets good milage)- . I would never waste my time again with any other kind of power adder -- im sold on turbo. The transition in power when the turbo's spool up is incredible. The power is there whenever you want it-- and not when you dont. Its deffinently something you have to experience to appreciate.
Amen

Talking about turboing everything.... If only i can make a manifold to bolt onto my ass to mount a turbo onto which blows clean air into my lungs - I think i could be the fastest man in the world once i get the tune down right!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by millhouse View Post
While that is somewhat of a true statement…it may not be for the reason in question. It seems a great deal of us over there do every last bit of work on the cars ourselves. As such, it turns into an eternal work in progress as we can never be happy just leaving it alone. We also seem to love tuning ourselves…which needless to say is a never-ending search for the best balance, times etc. On top of everything else…it seems that in typical turbo greedy fashion, we can't leave the boost level be. As such, the tune must change…fuel upgrades must happen…and ultimately…things start breaking.
True - True - True. My mustangs 1 year of running turboness anniversary is coming up within a month... the only stock parts left when she came alive with the twins were the stock motor and tired T5 - the T5 was quickly assassinated and then replaced with a 4r70w (which i couldn't be happier with, but i wish i could "Drop the clutch" sometimes and 'show off' more as someone could do with a manual box..) - the motor... well its still running strong, the turbos have only claimed a set of headgaskets so far and thats it.

The DIY EECtuning thing, although only putting about 20 minutes into it since i put the kit together (really just retarded timing, set shiftpoints/firmness, and a few other small things..) really isn't my thing... but i'll get it down right eventually.


Quote:
Originally Posted by 1quick6 View Post
How about i show you, just watch and listen! THis is a video of my car.

Car went 8.33 @ 168 this past saturday at cecil, street driven often!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5...ba0159d880.htm
god damn turbomustang guys and there huge burnouts...





95 Mustang


Mods; Huge pile of parts.
Stealth Performance is offline  
post #23 of 27 Old 10-13-2007, 08:45 AM
Registered User
 
trbofox's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Erie,Pa.
Posts: 575
Got turbo got burnout, the asphalt actually caught on fire after this I wish by buddy would have got the pic

1993 Notchback --- HPT60 Street Turbo Kit---512rwhp/622 [email protected]
Cover/Feature November 2007 MM&FF Magazine
Feature Sept. 2008 Mustang Enthusiast Mag.
Featured April 2005 5.0 Mustang Magazine
trbofox is offline  
post #24 of 27 Old 10-13-2007, 12:30 PM
Formerly TimmieG
 
Trader Feedback: (27)
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Miami , FL
Posts: 700
Quote:
Originally Posted by trbofox View Post
Got turbo got burnout, the asphalt actually caught on fire after this I wish by buddy would have got the pic
.... I know what i'm gonna do on my day off this week

95 Mustang


Mods; Huge pile of parts.
Stealth Performance is offline  
post #25 of 27 Old 10-18-2007, 08:17 AM
Registered User
 
trbofox's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Erie,Pa.
Posts: 575
Get some pics up of your day off.

1993 Notchback --- HPT60 Street Turbo Kit---512rwhp/622 [email protected]
Cover/Feature November 2007 MM&FF Magazine
Feature Sept. 2008 Mustang Enthusiast Mag.
Featured April 2005 5.0 Mustang Magazine
trbofox is offline  
post #26 of 27 Old 10-19-2007, 06:51 AM
Registered User
 
ponydown performance's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (0)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Warren, Mi.
Posts: 5
For me it was easy. I all ways had a particular power feel i wanted the car to have and the supercharger kits I had did a ok job, the nos kits was nice but filling those bottles got old real quick. So then about 5 years ago I decided to do a tt kit. So as soon as I got the car running and the bugs out the amount of power and torque was what i finally was waiting for. Plus as a perk is the driveability of a turbo car. Now while every power adder has its pro or cons you either have to live with it or do the best to you can to not make it a con. For me it was the heat. So i did a couple of things and got the car where I wanted it. So far I have had 3 differant kits on the car. Two twin turbo kits and one single kit and I'm going to make a kit for my 01 in the next couple weeks

1987 - Yellow Notch - Pony Down stage 3 single turbo kit.

Last edited by ponydown performance; 10-19-2007 at 07:01 AM.
ponydown performance is offline  
post #27 of 27 Old 10-21-2007, 08:37 PM
Registered User
 
Janstang's Avatar
 
Trader Feedback: (6)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 1,384
For me I was tired of belt slippage, and the hassle of pulling the head unit if I wanted more or less boost. The turbo makes more power at the same boost, I can change my boost via a dial or electronically, and no more belt slippage..

01 Mustang Cobra
T88 turbo, 5.4L, GT Heads, Powerglide tranny, plus much more..
Janstang is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Mustang Forums : Corral.net Mustang Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome