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HP twin 50's or Hellion single 62mm turbo?

Ok guys which is a better system for a daily driver? I have no idea as to which one to lean to but I do know there isnt much of a price differences between them and If I do turbo's then I would want twins. Is there any downside to them? Is HP a good place to get a setup from? Ive heard things about them in the past with problems of EXCESSIVELY long times to get turbo kits to customers. Is this still true? So guys can you shed some pros and cons of single and twin turbo setups? Oh yeah this will be on a forged 4.6 2v in a 98 Gt!

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Ok guys which is a better system for a daily driver? I have no idea as to which one to lean to but I do know there isnt much of a price differences between them and If I do turbo's then I would want twins. Is there any downside to them? Is HP a good place to get a setup from? Ive heard things about them in the past with problems of EXCESSIVELY long times to get turbo kits to customers. Is this still true? So guys can you shed some pros and cons of single and twin turbo setups? Oh yeah this will be on a forged 4.6 2v in a 98 Gt!
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Yeah I found out about hellion when I was down at dynospeed racing getting my car tuned. It definetly looks like a good kit. Plus the 62mm turbo is maxed out at 600rwhp and I am shooting for 550-600 so that should be fine.
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I have a hp twin 60mm kit. So far it's made 623rwhp with a high stall non-locking converter.

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I've had the HP single T60 on for 4 years, and by my sig. you can see what I made and that was with GT40 heads and a Cobra intake. Make sure you compare what comes with each kit.

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they both make great kits. it comes down to what you want a single or twin.
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i have a hp kit in my shed that is used, its probably about 3 years old. the weld quality if nowhere near the quality of my old hellion or my current quicktime turbo kit.

the hp is a single turbo kit.

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the HP for my 98 GT is a TT setup but my only complaint with HP is the long ass waiting periods that are involved in that setup.
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Can anyone address the age old question: single or twin? What are the benefits of each?
As I understand it, twins are a packaging nightmare, that suposedly spool up faster.
A single is obviously less of a packaging issue, to which I dont know what the benefits over a twin setup are.


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whats the usual wait time for HP's TT kit?

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Give em a call and they will tell you. Right now it is a 6 week wait for the T60 street kit for a 5.0.

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I would go with a single. Be warned that 62 is a bit small. It will be great fun but will run out around 500RWHP.

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I talked to hellion and they said that the 62mm turbo is fine from 550-600rwhp on my 2v. He said that is at 18 psi and is the end of the efficiency of the 62mm turbo.
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IMO, you are pushing that turbo above 550RW. You will end up with a big heater. Do you have the map for it? What are you looking for out of the car?

Take it from someone who wishes he went with a T76 from the start.

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Im looking for 550-600rwhp out of the car this is due to the limit on my fuel system. This car is my DD and gets drove every single day rain or shine. My fuel systems consists of a walbro 255lph pump and a BAP. I've been told by KB that with that pump and BAp that I should have a range of 550-600rwhp. After that they said I will need to upgrade with a new tank dual pumps, ect...and I really dont have any ambition to do that. So I am using 550rwhp as my cutoff for power wise. here is my setup as it stands now.

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whats the usual wait time for HP's TT kit?
I would research online for an answer to that question. I have seen a few people gripe about getting told one time period and then another and then another and things just dragging out to delays I personally would never risk dealing with. I also have seen a fair share of comments about the weld quality on the kits, they must last though since so many of them have them.

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550hp and daily driver should never be used in the same sentence, it's wishful thinking, especially with a turbo. If you can afford a turbo, you can afford a 1500 dollar beater to drive daily, just my .02 cents.
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Why do you say that? Ive seen 550hp daily driver many of times? Why is a turbo a bad choice for that situation? Im just curious cause I really dont know why?
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I daily drove a 550hp car for quite awhile and really it was all I could afford. I had a beat up truck at the time but its motor split in half when my brother borrowed it and I could not afford to fix it. Luckily the car was just very reliable and never left me stranded. A good friend of mine years ago daily drove a 1200hp car with no issues but he would break stuff when he took it out racing so would not say it was stone cold reliable. His car actually sounded like a stock Mustang, you'd had no idea it made that much power. My car on the other hand at that time was LOUD with a very choppy cam. Mine was with an SC, his was with a pair of turbos. I am sure I could come up with more examples. Now days though I would not do it, I'd buy a beater and save the car for weekends. Hell I have a $100 Galant sitting at my house that would make a perfect daily beater so $1500 does not even have to be spent on a beater.

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Hellion... the quality is VERY good...(i've never been impressed with HP's quality)
and they make good power as well.

Plus so far i am damn satisfied with the customer service...

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Hellion... the quality is VERY good...(i've never been impressed with HP's quality)
and they make good power as well.

Plus so far i am damn satisfied with the customer service...

I agree. My only gripe with Hellion were the instructions. They were VERY vague for 96-98 cobra guys. Used pictures and examples from 99-04 GT/Cobras. I must have e-mailed/called Jeff a dozen times. They walked me through several problems.

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Yea... i think Jeff knows me by name LMAO

i had all kinds of fitment questions when i was thinking of going 5.4... then i went 4-valve and had to switch a bunch of parts out because my kit had already came in 2-valve.

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I still say go with a Hellion kit and a T76.

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wont I have alot of boost lag with a T-76?
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Depends on how it is sized and ones opinion of a lot. Personally unless you have a built bottom end and driveline, I would just stick with a T62. They are good turbos for daily drivers.

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I have a built engine and driveline.

MMR mod 900 shortblock
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550hp and daily driver should never be used in the same sentence, it's wishful thinking, especially with a turbo. If you can afford a turbo, you can afford a 1500 dollar beater to drive daily, just my .02 cents.
What? A turbo will make much more STREETABLE power. You don't need wild cams or induction. My car makes 880 rwhp on pump gas through an unlocked converter in a 4R70W. I drive the car everyday, rain or shine. It is my daily driver. I work 30 minutes away, run for lunch everyday. The car starts and idles ice cold, drives like it's stock, is quiet, runs 9.80's on 18" wheels at 4000 lbs.

There are plenty of turbos out there putting down the power that he wants and are capable of being driven daily.
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I have a built engine and driveline.

MMR mod 900 shortblock
MMR stage 2 heads
crower stage 2 cams
Foxlake p-51 intake
miezere water pump
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Your cams may hurt you a bit and your gears are definitely way too much for a turbo. 3.55's or 3.27's.

I would call THP (www.turbohorsepower.com) Jim is a good guy and will set you up with what you need. I have his 4V kit, great quality. Tell him what you are looking to do with the car and he'll get you the proper sized turbos.

Also, you have a near bullet proof motor and are playing around with junk fuel system. Put some twin 57's on that thing with a real fuel system and put down 700 rwhp. If you are going to do it, do it right. You have to buy the turbo kit regardless, so buy the one where you can make more power in the future instead of something that you will have maxxed out to get to your goal of 550-600. Your goal will change when you get used to the power. We all get used to it. Get the twins, meet your goal at around 12-14 psi, when you want, exceed your goal by getting a real fuel system on there and turning it up to 17-18 psi.
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I have a built engine and driveline.

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Foxlake p-51 intake
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And how much power do you want it to make? I'd probably not do a 62 with all that but guess it really boils down to your goals. Most people with all that are wanting "as much power as possible"

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i would go with a t-66 or t-70 for a single hellion kit. if it was me i would call turbo horsepower up and talk to them. i was going to go with one of there kits until i decided to go with a 5.4 dohc and make my own system.
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Most people with all that are wanting "as much power as possible"

^^ yep... thats me!! LMAO

im almost wishing i went t-88 but since its street driven mostly i didnt wanna lose anymore response.

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look into putting your own kit together if you are trying to avoid the long lead times. i just finished developing two different kits and i have kooks making the headers for my single kit. cost an a$$load of cash for the headers but you could do it at a good local custom exhaust shop and not have to spent the 5000 that i spentget american stuff if you are going to diy
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Doesnt BG only make 87-95 mustang turbo kits!
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