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post #1 of 37 Old 09-01-2007, 01:41 PM Thread Starter
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going twin turbo

can you guys post pics of yout TT turbo fox's.

Im putting them ona 331 with edelbrock heads and aintake and a stage 2 tfs cam, with 14psi could i get 550rwhp?

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it depends on the total setup. On the 408 we had it made 765rwhp on 13psi with a 88mm on pump gas. On your setup, your going to crack the block before you run out of power.

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I like the sounds of that.
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Chances, your novi 1000 will make well over 500, if not then the motor isnt right. I made almost 500 with a 302 shortblock and you have a 331. The 3.00/8.00 on a 331 will make 550 EASY. Get a good tuner and let it rip. No need to be a dyno queen, get it together and enjoy it.

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Chances, your novi 1000 will make well over 500, if not then the motor isnt right. I made almost 500 with a 302 shortblock and you have a 331. The 3.00/8.00 on a 331 will make 550 EASY. Get a good tuner and let it rip. No need to be a dyno queen, get it together and enjoy it.
I have a guy wanting to trade me his Turbo's for my Novi, and I have always wanted a turbo and he has 2 for me.

so I say why not do it the way I have always wanted and be done.

but I see what your sayin.
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Be better off selling the kit and buying a quicktime turbo!

Precision 67mm turbo, this and that.
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A novi 1000 with the 3.00/8.00 will crack your block. A single turbo with 14 psi will crack your block. A set of twin turbos will crack your block. Pick your poison.

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then the turbo's cause I have more room to upgrade.

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Less chance of cracking the block with the turbos as you can keep the revs down, JMO
oh stage 2 cam??? you might want to put the stocker back in???

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Less chance of cracking the block with the turbos as you can keep the revs down, JMO
oh stage 2 cam??? you might want to put the stocker back in???


why? is it not a good turbo cam?

could you post pics of your dyno sheet and your motor?
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can you guys post pics of yout TT turbo fox's.

Im putting them ona 331 with edelbrock heads and aintake and a stage 2 tfs cam, with 14psi could i get 550rwhp?
You will be able to make 550 hp, but I don't know if 14 psi will get you their. anyways heres a few pics of my setup. I did this as a Senior Design Project for College. I put a link to my build pg on Turbo Mustangs and my School website too.

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what size turbos are those? the turbos I got are .60/.63 t3/t4's are these good? will they do what Im wanting them to on my motor?
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the two turbos on my car are .50/.63 T3/T4 hybrid knockoffs... I know that these would supply more than enough air to make the power levels you are looking for... so I would say that your .60/.63's are more than enough to achieve 550hp, and those extra 25 cubic inches over mine will help them spool up at a decent rpm.

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what fuel pump are yu running? I have a 255 intank but Im wondering if I need to get an external.
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what fuel pump are yu running? I have a 255 intank but Im wondering if I need to get an external.
I'm running a 255LPH in tank... I've heard that you run out of fuel rail before you run out of fuel pump (if your running stock lines) and this was at around 550rwhp, so im thinking you should be ok with the 255...

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A novi 1000 with the 3.00/8.00 will crack your block. A single turbo with 14 psi will crack your block. A set of twin turbos will crack your block. Pick your poison.
apparently who ever you talked to doesn't know what their doing. I run twin 70mm on a stock block 87... I run 14psi on race gas at the track and have over a hundred passes on it. The car has ported e7 heads with a comp cam, cobra intake, felpro mls head gaskets and arp head studs. I run an msd digital 6 and a c&l 80mm maf with 42lb injectors. The car dynos 546 to the rear wheels through a t5... I have not cracked my block!! Please educate yourself before speaking
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A novi 1000 with the 3.00/8.00 will crack your block. A single turbo with 14 psi will crack your block. A set of twin turbos will crack your block. Pick your poison.
sorry for the repost... I correct my self... they are just a set of straight t4s Im not even sure what the a/r is but they are good to 30 psi all day.

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apparently who ever you talked to doesn't know what their doing. I run twin 70mm on a stock block 87... I run 14psi on race gas at the track and have over a hundred passes on it. The car has ported e7 heads with a comp cam, cobra intake, felpro mls head gaskets and arp head studs. I run an msd digital 6 and a c&l 80mm maf with 42lb injectors. The car dynos 546 to the rear wheels through a t5... I have not cracked my block!! Please educate yourself before speaking
I agree with what you said.... but your on borrowed time son.. Some people get away with making that power through a stock block for a long time.... most don't though, you are a lucky SOB.

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ive been wanting to upgrade my lines and rails anyway.
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Ill be running 255 in tank, t-rex inline and 60s...I am on a dss 306 level 20 block(still a stock block), stock t5 with a kc clutch, I'll be shooting for 550 to 600 to the wheels..

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this is my twin 60/63 t3 set-up

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you only run 36 lb injectors in that and make almost 600 hp... holy ####.

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you only run 36 lb injectors in that and make almost 600 hp... holy ####.
Yeah,I wonder if MOOV'S car is driven on the street.I hope thats an aftermarket block.It must be a blast to drive with those number's.Im debating right now between a 408W or a 302,351 Turbo set up.
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this is my twin 60/63 t3 set-up

Who makes this kit i can get a kit like this for $1000.00
would it be worth it? It is missing some of the cold side from the intercooler to the tb and all the hot side has been jet hot coated.
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NOS5- this is 100% street car with more than 10k on the street with no issues other than traction on my nitto's, this is a daily driver, rain and all!!!

Adam 351- I built the whole set-up my self no kit here.

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Are those turbo's off of 2.3's? Also, do you have any numbers for the car?

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These are IHIs from 87/88 turbo coupes. 426/520 at 23 degrees timing. Swithched a few things and now have 417/502 at 18 degrees timing. Both with about 10-11 psi on the gauge.
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I'm running a 255LPH in tank... I've heard that you run out of fuel rail before you run out of fuel pump (if your running stock lines) and this was at around 550rwhp, so im thinking you should be ok with the 255...
I would recommend against trying to make 550whp with a single 255lph. It's been done many times, but you're definitely pushing it, especially with FI. Make sure you run a low base pressure...and do the calculations to make sure your injectors can keep up at that point.

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you only run 36 lb injectors in that and make almost 600 hp... holy ####.
He also has methanol injection. Methanol is a fuel so that is going to help his case. He could also be running a ton of fuel pressure if he has enough fuel pump.

It's not the way I'd go about doing it, but it can work.
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I would recommend against trying to make 550whp with a single 255lph. It's been done many times, but you're definitely pushing it, especially with FI. Make sure you run a low base pressure...and do the calculations to make sure your injectors can keep up at that point.

I agree with what the above poster said... however when he says do the calculations I would like to see him extrapolate on that a bit... all of the calculations you can do with information from the manufacturer are very conservative (to say the least), however they do get you in the ball park...

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He also has methanol injection. Methanol is a fuel so that is going to help his case. He could also be running a ton of fuel pressure if he has enough fuel pump.

It's not the way I'd go about doing it, but it can work.
I wasn't aware of the alchy, but what I was saying O my god to was what you are refering to when you said fuel pressure. I have a buddy that made 498 rqhp on 30# injectors... so I knew it could be done.

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I running a 255 in-tank and base pressure is 45psi, the dyno#'s are still showing pig rich on the A/F chart till around 4700 then it levels out to 11.6 .
The torque # would be over 700rwtq if I could lean it out a bit down at 4000rpm, a custom chip would help but it still runs fine for now.
still thinking about going back to the dyno to turn it up a little, I wondering if the mustang dyno I was on was out of calibration as I think I should be trapping higher.
just a hunch????

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I running a 255 in-tank and base pressure is 45psi, the dyno#'s are still showing pig rich on the A/F chart till around 4700 then it levels out to 11.6 .
The torque # would be over 700rwtq if I could lean it out a bit down at 4000rpm, a custom chip would help but it still runs fine for now.
still thinking about going back to the dyno to turn it up a little, I wondering if the mustang dyno I was on was out of calibration as I think I should be trapping higher.
just a hunch????
You are running a stock EEC????!!!!
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