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fuel systems...

what fuel systems are you guys using? i was going to go with the aeromotive kit for the mustang, but i heard that it will hit my msd distributor? what complete fuel systems are out there? i suppose i could order the aeromotive kit minus the rails, and get other rails or something...


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no one has fuel systems on there motors? all have intank pumps?

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no one has fuel systems on there motors? all have intank pumps?

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Nope, I just have a 255 in tank, T-rex inline, adj regulator, and 42's....I'm just running a stock block, so no need for me to have a $1500 fuel system...I don't think those rails will hit the dizzy....Never heard that before.....I seen cars with the aeromotive fuel system using both the stock and msd dizzy....
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You really dont have Some Crazy demanding engine for that kind of fuel supply.My twinturbo 306 just had 255intank adj, fuel reg. 42#ers and an inline thats pretty good flowing id say its efficient to about 600 h.p. then thats when i would start upgrading the rails, and other stuff. just my .02 hope it helps~
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Which MSD dist is it? I have one on my car and had no issues with Cartech rails and later switched to Pro-M rails and no issues there either. I do not recall the part number on my MSD but the physical sizes of it are damn near exactly like a stock one. As far as fuel systems go, I built mine so can't really offer much help there as to what to buy off the shelf.

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I have the cartech system for my car......have not installed it you but it was recommended by people here and on turbomustangs.com as well as my tuner, Bob Kurgan.

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its going on my dart 347 turbo motor when its finished. turbo will most likely be a gt42r single in the hp kit. im not sure what the part number is on the msd distributor, but its the one for the stock 302 mustang, dont think its anything special.

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I have that same dist then and if the rails interfere with a stock dist then they will interfere with that one. All I can think of that might interfere is if the rails have AN fittings on both front ends then getting a hose onto the drivers side might prove to be a little tricky depending on the angle of the fitting. I would think some clearancing would fix that though. My Cartech rails did not have a fitting up there and that is why when I switched rails I went with the Pro-M(think no longer made under that name) since the driver side one is angled.

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I have the cartech system for my car......have not installed it you but it was recommended by people here and on turbomustangs.com as well as my tuner, Bob Kurgan.

So what is it about the Cartech system that everybody is liking? I am just curious. I am debating on which fuel system I am going with also. I had been leaning towards the Aeromotive, but after reading this I am not sure. The prices seem the same.
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Which Cartech system are you guys referring to? Aren't there 2 or 3 different ones by them?


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i have the distributor p/n 8456

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I had heard from several people that when the Aeromotive system gets below a 1/4 tank of gas, the fuel won't move from the tank and the car will stall out. I have the Cartech Renegade Stage III system with dual external Pierburg pumps and an intank pickup. It is supposed to support 1000hp and you won't have the fuel starvation problem. Here is a link: http://www.cartech.net/fuelsystems.htm

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Only thing with that is the Cartech pickup tube is not all that hot a piece. I have known people where Cartech even told them they would be better off getting the kit less their pickup and getting something like the paxton pickup.

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I'm looking into this system

http://www.glennsperformance.com/ind...ystems_dual_-6

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I made my own system very similar to that and the system works very well!! I can run it down below a 1/4 tank with no problems. I run the walbro gsl392 pumps with a -10 to the front and a -6 return.

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I have heard good things about Glen's setups and may ultimately go to one of their tanks if I ever experience a problem with my tank.

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I wouldn't screw around with a few system with the excellent foundation you have for a shortblock. Invest in a good fuel system.

If you run into clearance issues with the distributor, you may have to try what I used. Buy a 45 degree -AN fitting that matches your fuel rail size ( I believe I bought an Earl's -8 fitting). Using a fixture, carefully cut or machine (the best option) one of the threaded bosses off all the way back to the forging body. Carefully deburr the flat end on the ID and clean thoroughly with hot water and dishwashing detergent. Then find someone good at aluminum welding who can weld the fitting such that it is angled away from the distributor on the driver's side fuel rail.

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I'm building my own fuel system with the help of Bob Kurgan. Bought a set of Cartech (Pierburg) twin external pumps from a guy here on corral. Got Aeromotive regulator and rails from Bob. He's also ordering a Granatelli tank pickup for me. All I have left to get is a fuel cooler, lines, and fittings.

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Why a fuel cooler?

I built mine a long time ago, still have a ton of misc fittings and lines left from it. I too went the twin fuel pump route but used Bosch pumps. I kind of wish I had stayed with the intank pickup. I had my tank sumped though.

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Well, I figure the stock system has all metal tubing which acts as one big fuel cooler because metal transfers heat. My new fuel system will be all rubber braided lines, which are an insulator and wont transfer heat. When I take the car road racing, i will be running all day and the car gets a workout. I want to be sure that the fuel stays cool. Makes sense or overkill?

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Makes sense but I am betting it is overkill. I'd be more worried about heat from the turbo setup and fluids in other systems which you probably have coolers on anyway.

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Yeah well my middle name should be overkill, LOL. I mean I'm running a Dart Iron Eagle block in a primarily street car that goes to the track on some weekends here and there.

Only other cooler I have added is a power steering cooler. The factory one was rotting out and discontinued. I also noticed my power steering fluid levels rising when I would come in from a run at the road course due to fluid getting hot and expanding. If I lower the fluid level enough to keep it from overflowing, the pump would suck in air on hard right turns. So I picked up a cheap Trak Auto universal trans cooler and put that in place of the power steering cooler. Mounted up behind my pony emblem in the grille it looks pretty cool and solved all my problems.

So I fiigure why not put coolers on everything? LOL

I also got a Fluidyne style radiator from some custom radiatior shop in Michigan off of eBay to help the engine cooling dept.

Still haven't looking into an oil cooler setup, i should.

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Hell I'd just trashed the power steering and gone with a manual rack but that is just me.

Yeah if you are going to have overkill in your middle name then you need an engine oil cooler and a diff oil cooler at the very least.

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bike wiz, what size injectors are you running?

and no one has the complete aeromotive fuel system?

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im using the 60lb Siemens "pencil style" injectors. Basically the coil windings are no longer soaked in fuel like the stock injectors which helps the insulation on the windings last longer and keep the injectors from shorting out.

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