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Stock Engine Turbo

I am wanting to go with a stock engine turbo kit, and was wondering what kind of power i could make? It will be a 306 but have the stock H/C/I. I am going to be running a 60-1 T04E running a mild 10-12lbs of boost. I am mainly going with the stock h/c/i because i wanted something that would put down an easy 450hp with all the stock parts, is this feasable at all.

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12lbs on a stock motor will get you between 360 and 400 horsepower. You'll need somewhere around 16lbs to get in the 450hp range.

The 60-1 will put you right where you want to be.

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Even on a completely stock engine, I would go for a T64 over a T60-1.

http://64.225.76.178/catalog/compmaps/fig10.html

http://64.225.76.178/catalog/compmaps/fig9.html

http://64.225.76.178/catalog/compmaps/t64.html

Assuming 45lb/min massflow (~400rwhp) the T62 is a better match than the T60-1 and the T64 is close to ideal.

Of course, you can use a T60-1 and do quite well; however, if you are starting from nothing, then you might as well get the turbo that best bits your engine's flow requirements.

I think 400rwhp is very doable at 10-12 PSI on a stock longblock. I know of one person at turbomustangs.com that got 509rwhp at 16PSI on a stock longblock (with a standard HP kit with T60-1 turbo (turbo was at its limit though)). This was not a cobra longblock either.

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For right now the kit that i am getting come with the 60-1, and the only other avaliable turbo they have is the 63-1, which is more than likely a little to big for my combo. For right now i am just wanting a nice daily that will have some good power behind it when i need it. Since this is my daily i will probably be using about 6psi or so. Thanks for all the help.
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what kit are you looking at
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What do you mean by too big for your combo?

The T60-1 is clearly on the small side (moderately to the right of the middle of the compressor efficiency island) and a T64 is close to ideal. The T63 would be better and yeild lower discharge temps for the same boost level.

Will it make a HUGE difference? No. Will it make a difference? Yes. Is it worth the additional cost (if there is any)? This is the question only you can answer; however, I do disagree with your statement that the T63 is "to big".

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well in that case it is a $225 upgrade to the 63-1.

The kit is a forced induction, which is a local shop around here. http://forcedinduction.net/online-st...products_id=63
there is their kit.
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My choice would be to not get the turbo from them and go with Joe at www.boostedsystems.com.

You can likely get a Master Power T62 with 0.68 A/R p-trim turbine (my recommendation) for less than the $700 you will save by not including a turbo in the kit. This way you can get a better sized turbo without spending more money.

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so something like this http://www.boostedsystems.com/produc...products_id=85
would be more of the turbo i would be looking for.
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I would call Joe up and just get some pricing/recommendations from him.

He will sometimes give better prices than listed on his website.

I would not get the O-trim turbine. It is too small (IMHO) for a 302; however, the p-trim turbine on that turbo would be an excellent fit.


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thanks for all the help, i'll be giving him and call and work get something put together.
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I'd get a 62-1 for a stock motor. I have a 60-1 and based on trap mph its making about 520rwhp with heads/intake. I think its about done though. I've had 3 different turbos on my car and smaller is not always a bad thing. 62-1s are quick spooling turbos that, if pushed, will go above and beyond the stock block limits.
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How about a T70?? :P
at $575 you can't go wrong....plus you'll have room to grow WHEN(not if) you decide to go bigger because Speed is addicting
B&G has cheap MP turbos and they have great customer service and are speedy
http://www.bgturbokits.com/store/
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Yeah, you can get a T62 with p-trim from BG for $575 it seems (I image Joe at boostedsystems would give a similar deal). That way you can still save $125 over the T60-1, and have a better turbo for your combo.

I think the T70 is a little on the large side for a stock longblock. However, if you plan on wanting a 600rwhp+ setup later, then it would be a nice compromise that would work well now and then.

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Why do you keep calling them T60s? No such thing.

Anyway, the 'room to grow' strategy is just plain retarded when choosing a turbo. I had a T70 on my car and I took it right off. I wouldn't recommend that turbo unless you have an accomodating auto w/stall and a healthy cam to shift the powerband up.
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Hum...I just realized that the "T62" I was recommending was actually a T62-1.

I guess I had become accustomed to the shorthand name commonly used for that turbo (MP T62) on turbomustangs.com.

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One of many things that are bass ackwards from their garrett counterparts. Like their T70s and garretts don't look alike at all from the blades or comp housing. Their 'T62-1s' are a 6-blade, not 7-blade wheel.

Point being, I can't see how anyone can use garrett comp maps for a turbo that can't possibly have the same flow characteristics.
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I guess my point of view, is that the MP should be "similar" to the comparable Garrett.

I am sure they are not the same; however, the Garrett maps should allow one to make a reasonable approximation for what to expect the MP turbo to do.

Since I have never seen the MP compressor maps, I just don't know of any other way to go about doing this. However, I am open to suggestions.

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My bad...wasn't trying to spite you. I just have alot of angst against MP turbos I guess. You are right, if MP doesn't supply the proper maps, you have to use the next best thing.
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im pretty settled on the t70

is this turbo good for me?

How about I give the pros some info and you give me some feedback

its a summer vert, with pretty good/low original miles, 1 previous owner
the car is an aod, pretty stock except for exhaust, gears, subframes and minor suspension mods
i want mild boost, something that wont break the stock block but still fun on the street, it will see the track every now and then, nothing crazy, just to hang out for the day etc...more of a street build is what im looking for, top end is important to me too, although i have 3.73 gears

What turbo am I looking for?
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completely stock motor, 205k miles, conservative tune
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I am just waiting on my B&G kit to come. I am getting the MP T70 .68 turbo. I may switch to a .81 housing later on. This seems to make more than enough power to split a block in half.

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thats exactly what i am looking for.
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i just bought a kit - some stats

Garrett Turbo - .96 Exhaust .55 Cold Side
Turbonetics Evolution Wastegate with Dumptube
5 PSI Wastegate Spring
Manual Boost Controller
Turbo Technology Intercooler 10x18x3.5
3" Downpipe
Intercooler Piping & Brackets
C&L 76MM Mass Air Flow Sensor
AutoMeter Phantom Boost Guage (White Face)
3" Exhaust From Downpipe to Borla Pro XS Muffler Dumped
Stock Fuel Rails + Fuel Pressure Regulator
Oil Feed/Return & Fittings/Hoses
Couplers & Clamps
Vacuum Lines for ByPass & Wastegate


BTW, this is going on a stock vert with an aod and 55k original miles - well see how well this holds up come summer
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You could go with a smaller exhaust housing to help spool.

I spool 300 RPMs sooner with a 0.68 A/R vs the 0.81 A/R I had, and it is much more fun with the 0.68 A/R.

Here is an example of a guy doing 130mph+ in the 1/4 with a 0.68 so it doesn't appear to be to large of a restriction:

http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/ind...;topicseen#new

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I'd get a 62-1 for a stock motor. I have a 60-1 and based on trap mph its making about 520rwhp with heads/intake. I think its about done though. I've had 3 different turbos on my car and smaller is not always a bad thing. 62-1s are quick spooling turbos that, if pushed, will go above and beyond the stock block limits.
Having a smaller Turbo I agree totally, is not always a bad thing for the street!I think the faster spooling 60 and 62-1 would be alot funner to drive daily on the street.A bigger turbo would work well but it would depend on when and at what RPM's would you like boost to kick in??A T-70 for the street is not really ideal when you consider how many guys running the 60 and 62-1 in the 11's and even in the 10's.Its all about preference and if i am going to put a Turbo system in my daily driven Mustang it will be a Twin Turbo or a Single 60 or 62-1.
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