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I have thought about TurboCharging my 89 5.0 Mustang.I know there are power adders and turbo's sem to have the greatest potential.I have heard about the great gas mileage they get??The thing is i have never been in a Turbo Mustang ever, but all the guys on the turbo Mustangs Forums seem to say how wonderfull it is. I really don't like any lag and i am not sure what is going to please me more,H/C/I with Nitrous or a Turbo set up??Right now my engine is pure stock with 2:73 Gears but it won't stay that way for to much longer.

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No lag here with the IHIs. This lag business is way way way overstated. I would say my centrifugal blower with 3.73 gears on my 97 is much more laggy than my tt notch. Basically on the notch, as soon as you hit the gas you get boost.
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No lag here with the IHIs. This lag business is way way way overstated. I would say my centrifugal blower with 3.73 gears on my 97 is much more laggy than my tt notch. Basically on the notch, as soon as you hit the gas you get boost.
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Yeah having small Twins seems to make the Turbo's spool faster,but the guys on the Turbo mustangs site would say it would be not much different if you get the right converter.Well,my car is staying a 5 speed period and with the stock 5.0, 3.27 gears and small Twins I don't know if traction is going to be unbearable on the street .I love Nitrous but i don't know about getting the bottle filled up every now and then.Being your car is a 4 cylinder and has no lag issues kind of make's me like the twin set up.Just alot more involved with doing a Twin turbo'd mustang or any other car.
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anyhoo, do some more research.

if you can afford it, and/or can do alot of fab work yourself, go for it.

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Just a matter of preference friend. All power adder's have their own pro's and con's. I truly believe if you spend the money and the time to install 1 turbo or 2, you won't regret it. Matter of fact, you are going to want more, and you will start wanting to add a shot of nitrous or maybe some methanol to the set up........I know that goes through my mind all the time with my twins.



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Just a matter of preference friend. All power adder's have their own pro's and con's. I truly believe if you spend the money and the time to install 1 turbo or 2, you won't regret it. Matter of fact, you are going to want more, and you will start wanting to add a shot of nitrous or maybe some methanol to the set up........I know that goes through my mind all the time with my twins.



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I love big engines and the low end torque that separates them from all.I also love the instant power of Nitrous. Maybe a stroked Forged 393 or 408 Windsor Getting it built to put out 450 Horsepower or more would probably be cheaper then a turbo set up .One thing i dislike about Turbo's are the exhaust leaks and cracked pipes that it causes.Not easy for a guy to fix or fabricated or done anything relating to turbo's except for my 87 Buick Turbo-T(which was quite easy).I don't know what to expect if I choose the route to TurboCharge my stock Stang.
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Have to pick the right parts, and build it correctly. Singles are heavy, and will crack pipes if they have to support all the weight of the turbo.
I have been a nitrous junky until I started my build in Mar. I loved the off the line of nitrous. But i love the lower gears of the turbo(being I have a c-4 in a classic). But I mean to tell boost is friggin' great. I am no where close to a tune. I can't even get past half throttle yet until I get my air bleeds. But with the 4.11's(before I changes to 2.75's), I saw 5 psi at half throttle and it felt damn near as strong as the 100 shot did at WOT, if not equal.
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I totally agree with 10secgoal, the boost feel's just as awesome a brief nitrous shot......I personally just can't tell people how fun a turbo'd car is, in my opinion, there is just nothing like it....
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Bottom line for me is I will not build any more blower cars. If my P600B ever goes out (seems bulletproof-with 173,000 miles on the blower-280,000 on the motor), I will make that 97 a single turbo car.
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Turbo's rock! I've had juice, then a centrifical blower, and now twin turbos.
My biggest regret is all that money I wasted on the others when I should have went turbos years ago. Man was I dumb!!!
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I totally agree with 10secgoal, the boost feel's just as awesome a brief nitrous shot......I personally just can't tell people how fun a turbo'd car is, in my opinion, there is just nothing like it....
I have only my 87 Buick T-Type to compare.It sure is fun to drive but I don't feel the instant power like when I used Nitrous in my old 402 Big Block Chevy car many many years ago.I felt like I was actually flying and off the ground.I love Turbo cars but its hard to believe that your going to get the same feeling(seat of the pants) with the instant power and torque of Nitrous.Im keeping my Mustang a 5 speed I am not sure i would want a single Turbo to have Max boost at 3800 RPM's or higher. Twins with a 5 speed would be my preference but it is also more expensive and more complicated especially when cosidering everything. TT's or Nitrous

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All I can say is I to have had a supercharger on a small block 302 and was in the process of doing a 408 with a YSI . I was introduced to a guy that had a twin turbo set up 347 mostly track car but not really all out. I went for a ride on the street and I was somewhat shocked but not to the point of changing my combination because it was useless power on the street . Well I drove the car at the track and it felt like the torque never let up, hard pull all the way down the track . I came back sold my set up did a R block 347 and pt-88 turbo and never looked back. The right combination and it just works. Don't get me wrong all power adders are good and some have advantages over others, but at this point I like turbos .
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Maybe the thing to do is have 1 Nitrous Mustang and 1 Turbo Mustang.Im not sure with a Twin Turbo set up(.60/.63's), how a 5 Speed and 3:27 Gears would be different then with a Automatic transmission.I do believe The Ferrari F40, one of the best super cars ever made was a Twin Turbo V-8.I loved my 87 buick T-Type Regal but it was a V-6 automatic.A little different to compare it with a 5.0 Ford 5 Speed Turbo'd car.Dam,I wish there was a way to expierence the ride of a 5 speed 5.0 with single or Twins. Closest track to me is Atco,NJ.Maybe Buick vs.Ford night would be a good time to go there.
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you really cant go wrong with either combo, they both work great.
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you really cant go wrong with either combo, they both work great.
yeah,both make insane torque,which is what I want for the street.Im leaning now towards a Nitrous system based on how my Buick T-type Regal and 2 other Nitrous cars I had been.Nitrous seems to be harder hitting and there is no delay in the onset of power.Turbocharger's would be costly and having Twins may not be as reliable on a true street car?Another thing is I have never been in a TT car so I can't really say I would like the Twin Turbo's less.
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Depends on how you drive. If I still had a bottle I would be filling it all the time, now it's always there, just push the pedal, and I do everytime i'm in the car.
NOS is a harder hit initially but once the boost is there it's a rush(my car has some lag).
With that harder hit are you going to break the tires free??
Lots of pros & cons with all, what were you saying about that F-40, Hummmmm???
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Depends on how you drive. If I still had a bottle I would be filling it all the time, now it's always there, just push the pedal, and I do everytime i'm in the car.
NOS is a harder hit initially but once the boost is there it's a rush(my car has some lag).
With that harder hit are you going to break the tires free??
Lots of pros & cons with all, what were you saying about that F-40, Hummmmm???
Just my opinion.
Yeah thats the question with a stock 5.0 mustang that has alot of low end torque??I'm not sure i would get traction in 2nd gear with a 125 shot of Nitrous??Especially when I get my 3:55 or 3:73 Gears.I do think in the summer it should be ok because I have used it on a big block chevy and hit the button in 3rd gear and that had 4:11's.To this day that was the biggest rush of any car i have ever been in.I literally felt like I was flying and off the grond.I couldn't believe the ride.The problem after that, I got the Carb rebuilt because of idling and constant fouling of the plugs and years later, I have never been able to tune it to work as good as the first time I used it .I think the problem was that I did not back off the timing.In my book there's only Nitrous and Turbo Boost!!I don't like Superchargers!! My 87 Buick T-Type provides me that rush you were talking about,but those cars were made Turbo's and 5.0's were not so it makes me hesitant.The dependabilty is a major concern for me because Im not rich but i do have the Demons of Speed!! On The Streets!!
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Old combo - stock block/edel 6037's/e-cam/1.7's/cobra intake/full exhaust/zex 125 shot.

New combo - 8.5:1 306/gt-40y's/stock cam/1.7's/cobra intake/DIY Holset WH1E setup at 5psi.

I can tell you that my new turbo setup at only 5psi seems to be a little quicker than my old setup with better heads/higher compression/and the 125 shot. This project was my first experience with a welder and as such I still have some pre-turbo leaks to get under control, so I know there is more response in the setup, but as it stands, I have 3-4psi of boost the instant I step on it, and have full boost a split second later from 2800 on. I had my window switch setup for 2500-5500 on the spray, so the added power has roughly the same power band. Only drawback I've had so far is mostly due to gearing (3.73's/tremec) and my leaky first stab at welding/fabricating the crossover. Between the two, first gear doesn't really load the motor up enough to get boost until 5000rpm. I'm gonna go back to the stock 3.08's next year which should help that. Most of the racing I do is from a roll though, so it doesn't bother me, every other gear has full boost by 2800 rpm.

One other thing people seem to forget when comparing turbos to other power adders is PART THROTTLE BOOST! This makes the car just feel stronger in general on the daily commute. Even if you don't actually get into boost, from a quarter throttle or so on, the car will pull harder for a given amount of throttle as compared to n/a. In third and 4th gear I can get 3psi at half throttle at almost any rpm. Makes for a nice surge of passing power without having to open her up. Plus, you can rip on it all day and not have to fill your bottle. I also can't remember how many times a random race came up where I fell victim to bottle pressure, as in 600psi + zex 125shot = is this thing on?

This biggest question if you want the power is really money. If you can afford to go turbo, I would definately choose it over nitrous. If a long-term savings plan is in order for a turbo kit, then you already know nitrous is fun and cheap. That would probably be my determining factor.

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Why the hell do you keep talking about your T-Type? A 4000 pound boat with a 3.8L V6, poor flowing heads, and a stuffy exhaust system has nothing in common with a turbo mustang. My car made over 850 RWTQ on the single turbo, and on race gas with the twins it's put out just under 1000 RWTQ. I don't know how you can even try and say you don't know about the instant hit of power of turbos comparing to nitrous, because the turbos are always there. If I'm screwing around on the street and I go WOT at any time I have full boost within one second, period. I don't know about you, but I can't afford to keep the bottle open and spray any time I want to get on it.

Turbos > *

Nitrous is NO comparison for the fun factor. And for the reliability thing, I drive my car most days to work unless I need to take a client out.

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actually most t types are between 3500-3650.. thats not 4k.
why do u say stuffy exhuast system.??? what the stock exhuast....soo like u cant put aftermarket exhuast on it.........!?!?!?! either way a turbo buick can make great power thru the stock heads and cam. there are many going 11s with stock long blocks.ever seen the gn vs mustang shootouts?
the other stuff i agree with u on.
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Why the hell do you keep talking about your T-Type? A 4000 pound boat with a 3.8L V6, poor flowing heads, and a stuffy exhaust system has nothing in common with a turbo mustang. My car made over 850 RWTQ on the single turbo, and on race gas with the twins it's put out just under 1000 RWTQ. I don't know how you can even try and say you don't know about the instant hit of power of turbos comparing to nitrous, because the turbos are always there. If I'm screwing around on the street and I go WOT at any time I have full boost within one second, period. I don't know about you, but I can't afford to keep the bottle open and spray any time I want to get on it.

Turbos > *

Nitrous is NO comparison for the fun factor. And for the reliability thing, I drive my car most days to work unless I need to take a client out.
First of all I was trying to get an answer about how a 5 speed manual runs with a Turbo set up.2nd,My 87 T-type is not stock and it is modified.Never raced but the setup produces around 550 RWTQ.No,its not a 347 twin turbo like yours but it still is incredible for a 231!!But 1000 RWTQ.I don't want to run slicks or ET's on the street like you,if you do,i hope.While it maybe reliable for you on the street I don't have that kind of money to get the setup you have.Another thing is that i am not planning on racing the car.This will be by all means a street car.With the 850 or 1000 RWTQ your car is making,I canImagine the power of the Turbo's make But,is that on the track where you have to do a full burnout to get traction??,or on the street in 1st and 2nd gear with no burnout??I think where you assumed that I had thought Nitrous was more fun on the street, I had assumed that Twin Turbo's with a 5 speed and my 5.0 might have to much low end torgue unabling me to get traction on the street.This car will be my daily driver so gas mileage is somewhat important.Your 347 is not a good comparison because i will be sticking with the 5.0,5 speed and I will never need the amount of Torque that your single(850)Twins (1000) put out.Sounds awesome but just a tad too much on the street for me.At least for this year.

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actually most t types are between 3500-3650.. thats not 4k.
why do u say stuffy exhuast system.??? what the stock exhuast....soo like u cant put aftermarket exhuast on it.........!?!?!?! either way a turbo buick can make great power thru the stock heads and cam. there are many going 11s with stock long blocks.ever seen the gn vs mustang shootouts?
the other stuff i agree with u on.
Yeah i did and most of the time the Gn's win and I am not even a Buick fan.Now were talking about the stock block which is what I was talking about.Not a 347 or 393,408 combination with a Turbo and 850 to 1000 RWTQ.
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I just gave three guys a ride last night in my mild motored combo with PTK T66 kit at 8-9psi.

They could barely comprehend doing 0-60 in 3.8 seconds spinning through 1st and 2nd and then going 60-100 in another 3.9 seconds with traction in 3rd and 4th.

Turbos are sweet; however, they are not simple or cheap. As far as gas milage, forget it. I have averaged about 13 mpg since going turbo.

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I have averaged about 13 mpg since going turbo.

WOW, only 13 mpg ? I've heard of people running 10's and getting 24 mpg.

I'm thinking about getting a turbo just wondering if that 13 mpg is because you can't keep your foot off the gas??
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Before tearing the car down, I could get 24mpg highway. Now I get 17 mpg highway with 15.5:1 AFR.

I don't understand it.

I still have 2.73 gears.

I get the 13 from a mix of easy city driving plus numerous 0-100 blasts.

I can practically watch the fuel gauge move...
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If you can build the turbo kit yourself then it really isnt much more expensive then a full Nitrous set-up when you count the price to fill the bottle over and over, bottle heaters, purge, etc.

I fabbed my whole turbo kit with all brand new parts, no junk yard anything, for $1500. My power is always there, no bottle to open, and full boost was at 2800rpm. If you figure on buying a kit from a company thats a whole other story.
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If you can build the turbo kit yourself then it really isnt much more expensive then a full Nitrous set-up when you count the price to fill the bottle over and over, bottle heaters, purge, etc.

I fabbed my whole turbo kit with all brand new parts, no junk yard anything, for $1500. My power is always there, no bottle to open, and full boost was at 2800rpm. If you figure on buying a kit from a company thats a whole other story.
That is certainly the way to do it!!Thats great for $1500!!.Full boost at 2800 Rpm's,that is awesome.That Turbo or Turbo's spool fast!!Are they Twins??It would be difficult for me however, since I don't own my own shop, so i would need the help of a shop to fab up a kit.I admit getting the nitrous bottle filled up is a real drag and it is better to have the power always there when you want it.Im not going to spend $4500 if there is a way I can save on a fabbed up Turbo Kit.
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Thats a single Precison 61mm turbo on a stock bottom end 302 with TFS heads and intake no IC. Properly sized single will spool equally as well as twins will.

My system is the first thing i've ever welded. I just went out and bought me a MIG welder and went at it. Look at some companies that sell hot side parts only for around $1000, I havent looked in a while so that may be off by a bit. Theres only about $150 in materials into those hot side kits.
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I have thought about TurboCharging my 89 5.0 Mustang.I know there are power adders and turbo's sem to have the greatest potential.I have heard about the great gas mileage they get??The thing is i have never been in a Turbo Mustang ever, but all the guys on the turbo Mustangs Forums seem to say how wonderfull it is. I really don't like any lag and i am not sure what is going to please me more,H/C/I with Nitrous or a Turbo set up??Right now my engine is pure stock with 2:73 Gears but it won't stay that way for to much longer.
How much money do you really have to invest in this vehicle and how much do you need to relly on it running every day? Just wondering since you made the comment on gas mileage. If I was concerned with gas mileage I would more than likely be dependent on my car damn near every day. If that was the case I would do H/C/I with either nitrous or a used Vorturd.

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How much money do you really have to invest in this vehicle and how much do you need to relly on it running every day? Just wondering since you made the comment on gas mileage. If I was concerned with gas mileage I would more than likely be dependent on my car damn near every day. If that was the case I would do H/C/I with either nitrous or a used Vorturd.
I plan on relying on my car every day.Although I am going to upgrade my 2:73 Gears to 3:55 or 3:73 Gears.I am leaning towards H/C/I now, with Nitrous.It just seems less can go wrong with that, then a turbo system.As far as the Nitrous i know that can be volatile if used incorrectly.There are alot of reliable Nitrous kits out there that can help with the volatility.Maybe in the future I can think about a turbo system if i get tired of the Nitrous.
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I plan on relying on my car every day.Although I am going to upgrade my 2:73 Gears to 3:55 or 3:73 Gears.I am leaning towards H/C/I now, with Nitrous.It just seems less can go wrong with that, then a turbo system.As far as the Nitrous i know that can be volatile if used incorrectly.There are alot of reliable Nitrous kits out there that can help with the volatility.Maybe in the future I can think about a turbo system if i get tired of the Nitrous.
Every single friend of mine who had nitrous on their car wanted to go turbo after riding in my old car (306 + T64E + AFR 165's + stock cam) and were pretty pissed they spent so much on nitrous over the years. You're on the street, you go WOT with a turbo car, you have all your power there. I can go around ALL NIGHT driving my car hard and there's lots of power there. A nitrous car only gets that when you're spraying, and you will end up spending more to fill bottles all the time.

Do it right the first time, it'll be cheaper.

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Not being a dick man but tell me you have another car. My car is fast and somewhat reliable but I would never want to drive it daily.

Nitrous gets old quick, I sprayed for years. You WILL get sick of filling the bottle.

I sold all my nitrous stuff when I got the turbo done and would NEVER use it again.

Turbos rule...end of discussion.

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For the Turbo 5.0 Stang is it really all that....

YES!!! and a bag of chips!!!


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I will never need the amount of Torque that your single(850)Twins (1000) put out.Sounds awesome but just a tad too much on the street for me.
That is another great thing about turbos. With a boost controller its easy to crank the boost up or down (as long as your car is tuned for it).

If sized right lag is not an issue.

I have had a supercharger Ive had high compression big cubes now I have a turbo setup. I wish I went turbo in the first place. I consider everything else I did a waste of money. But thats just me.

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