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post #1 of 22 Old 09-14-2005, 07:09 PM Thread Starter
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Can this go 10's??

502 rwhp, 580rwtq.
shiftting at 5500 T-56 with not so great nitto DR245/50/16's at 11psi with 355's
( thats tire pressure)
Is there a chance? or will it just kill the tires on speedshifts?
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Personally i don't think it will hit 10's, but i bet it will be in the low 11's.......Just from what i have seen, but i am at 6000' above sea level, so nothing is suprising....had a friend with 504hp'd mustang, and the best he ran was like an 11.6 in that car, his down fall i believe was his suspension, his 60's were like 2.2's

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502 rwhp, 580rwtq.
shiftting at 5500 T-56 with not so great nitto DR245/50/16's at 11psi with 355's
( thats tire pressure)
Is there a chance? or will it just kill the tires on speedshifts?
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Go to the track and run the car. The only way you're going to be able to do it is PRACTICE Anyways. I seriously doubt it, especially if you dont have any suspension mods.

At 502 RWHP your shortblock is a time bomb waiting to go off, I'd recommend a better block before you destroy a lot of parts you already have. (Just a FYI)
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Since were on the topic. My cars makes 500 rwhp & 500 RWTQ unfortuantley the day I finally got all the kinks out of the motor they closed the tack out by me (West Hampton Long Island). Figures my luck! I have been wondering what it could do and when ever I read articles and talk to people who make similiar power some claim "mid to high 10's". I'm so supprised that people who make similar power can have as much as a 1 second difference. What gives? Is it BS or a reflection on how good their suspension is set up?

I would love to bring it to E Town but trailering it is such a pain!
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Suspension plays a part, tires used plays a part and driver SKILL plays a part. Back when I had a mid to low 10 second car and was a far greater driver than I am today I could jump into my buddies mid 12 second car and click off mid 11 second runs. Of course now days I'd probably run 13s in that but such is life

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""Of course now days I'd probably run 13s in that but such is life ""

don't lie............. we all know it would go 14's.


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Truth be told, I think I would be lucky to bust out of the 15s.

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those new boob implants gettin' in the way of your shifting?


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I do have HPM mega bite lowers and solid uppers, But I haven't even speed-shifted this thing yet because on the street the wheel-spin is crazy. This thing is getting loose at 60mph in third just rolling into the throttle, once in fourth also.
Is this because of the torque #'s?
Anyway I'm going to the track tomorow weather permitting.
The Nitto's are pretty well screwed now.
I'll let you know!!

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those new boob implants gettin' in the way of your shifting?
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keep us posted on your track results....i am really looking forward to seeing what your car run's........

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Well, What did she run?

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Dissappointed!!!!
1st gear rocked, dead hooked after good burnout with the nittos at 11psi,
Then 5400rpm slammed second and the tach was sitting on 6100 and I though here's the wheel-spin I though I would get so I held into it and realized that the tires were not spinning, back-pedalled it and slammed 3rd, 6100 sits the tack ,back-pedalled a few more times, it was just like being in neutral,
CLUTCH WOULDN'T TAKE THE POWER!!!
It was a new motorsport HD, car still drives but now slips under heavy load.
I'll have to do some research on a good street clutch that will take the torque.
thats it.
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spec 3! or Centerforce/Motorsport combo.

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spec 3! or Centerforce/Motorsport combo.
I am partial to the Spec stg 3, great clutch, cant go wrong. My buddy told me that the Motorsport/Centerforce DF is a hot street/strip setup as well as he uses it in his all motor 327 that runs 10.80'[email protected]

As far as your motor being a "time bomb" with 500 hp, these people dont have experience with high hp and stock motors. If it has a good tune, you should have no worries. I am going for 600 rwhp with the stock block/crank/rods. 600rwhp has been exceeded many times with turbos and stock shortblocks/blocks.

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I am partial to the Spec stg 3, great clutch, cant go wrong. My buddy told me that the Motorsport/Centerforce DF is a hot street/strip setup as well as he uses it in his all motor 327 that runs 10.80'[email protected]

As far as your motor being a "time bomb" with 500 hp, these people dont have experience with high hp and stock motors. If it has a good tune, you should have no worries. I am going for 600 rwhp with the stock block/crank/rods. 600rwhp has been exceeded many times with turbos and stock shortblocks/blocks.
Just wait until you take the motor out and get it checked for cracks after a few runs. Been there done that. Cracks were all over the camshaft mains and extending down towards the crank mains. Also a few cracks were going across the lifter valley. You might not see the cracks but take the block and get it Magnefluxed. You'll be SHOCKED on the amount of cracking the block has started.

Even with Turbos, the block will crack at 600 horses.

Why waste all the money on internals, the turbochargers, the injectors, etc, on a stock block? If you ever have one actually break, your going to destroy heads, intakes, camshafts, and possibly your turbos (Sending crap down the exhaust)
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Having a block split does not typically do damage to the heads and intakes. For an "online" example look at all the blocks Barry D destroyed in his late turbo mustang and I do not recall one instance of him hurting the heads, intakes, turbos and I think even the cam.

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Having a block split does not typically do damage to the heads and intakes. For an "online" example look at all the blocks Barry D destroyed in his late turbo mustang and I do not recall one instance of him hurting the heads, intakes, turbos and I think even the cam.
this is true, he took his stock rotating assy and put it in a Mexican block i believe and he has gone deep into the 9's already @ +/- 140mph.

Also, there is a stock shortblock car that has exceeded 600 rwhp and has been for over 2 years on turbomustangs.com. S/C's and spray seem to put a lot more stress on the block and rotating assy unlike turbos. I say 500 rwhp will last a long time with a stock block/shortblock with a good tune.

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the spec stage III also has my vote......that is what i currently run in my twinturbo mustang..... contact beau at mentaladdictionmotorsports on the clutch, he got me an awesome deal for my set up.
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I talked to D&D today and they recomended their SHD combo which usea the HD pressure plate and a McCleod kevlar disc. Whatever way I go the flywheel is going to be changed to aluminum.
That McCleod street twin set-up looks nice but it also has a nice Price.
What kind of miles are you guys getting from your SPEC III's??
I did a search and heard alot of guys saying 15-20,000miles.
The guy at D&D told me the twin disc will go 70,000 "if your not a cluch abuser" what ever that means with 580ft lbs of torque on hand.
I was thinking of turning up the boost with a meth injection kit and going for 600 as well. just a thought!

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I am partial to the Spec stg 3, great clutch, cant go wrong. My buddy told me that the Motorsport/Centerforce DF is a hot street/strip setup as well as he uses it in his all motor 327 that runs 10.80'[email protected]

As far as your motor being a "time bomb" with 500 hp, these people dont have experience with high hp and stock motors. If it has a good tune, you should have no worries. I am going for 600 rwhp with the stock block/crank/rods. 600rwhp has been exceeded many times with turbos and stock shortblocks/blocks.
Yeah man, You know as well as I 500Rwhp
+ plus on a stock bottom where playing with fire!one day will get burned.
alot to do with how the car is driven though,learned that along time ago!
I wish I could say more for the Spec clutches,been running a C4 in my 89
for awhile now. I do know though that with The Centerforce/Motorsport
setup it lasted for a very long time on Slicks in the 10's. Want to say the
The trans went 1st?Think its cheaper then the Spec? Take Care!

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this is true, he took his stock rotating assy and put it in a Mexican block i believe and he has gone deep into the 9's already @ +/- 140mph.

Also, there is a stock shortblock car that has exceeded 600 rwhp and has been for over 2 years on turbomustangs.com. S/C's and spray seem to put a lot more stress on the block and rotating assy unlike turbos. I say 500 rwhp will last a long time with a stock block/shortblock with a good tune.
Look at the for sale ad for that car, he did not put a stock rotating assembly in that mexican block, it was a 347 as per the ad.

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