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post #1 of 23 Old 05-01-2003, 07:40 PM Thread Starter
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Question 327 T91 turbo 1300hp which injectors 96lbs or 160lbs and why

Hi I am building a 327 stroker eagle block Vr junior ported heads solid roller cam 700 plus lift With a T91 turbonics turbo with 25lbs boost. Trying to make around 1300 to 1500 hp. I've been told that 96lb injectiors will due but 160's will also. What I need to know is am I stressing the 96's and would the 160's be over kill to the point of the set up only running good at wide open throtle? I am planning on cruising the car on the street from time to time. Which injector would work the best for my setup?

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Help!!!! The set up will also be using a new Accel Generation 7 DFI. So the 160s can be tunned out a bit but would the 96s be the better choice.

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I'd go ahead and jump straight to the 160s, we have pushed 83's to around the power level you are talking and actually slightly beyond but only due to the limitations of the ECU's we were running.

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I ran 160's with my accel, I would even try risking the 96's, I put 1543 rwhp with my 347, high ports, mondo, and 101mm turbonetics turbo. I was running those things around 76% duty cycle. so I am sure with the 96s would almost be topped out at that point. I would say don't risk em, go with the bigger to begin with this way if you decide to upgrade later you don't need to worry about upgrading them, one less thing to worry about!
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Thanks 10seclx for the advice. This is what everyone has been saying. So The 160s is the way I am going to go with. Good luck with your car and racing.

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I ran 160's with my accel, I would even try risking the 96's, I put 1543 rwhp with my 347, high ports, mondo, and 101mm turbonetics turbo. I was running those things around 76% duty cycle. so I am sure with the 96s would almost be topped out at that point. I would say don't risk em, go with the bigger to begin with this way if you decide to upgrade later you don't need to worry about upgrading them, one less thing to worry about!

Interesting... what is your name 10seclx? I have never heard of anyone in manitoba puting down that much power in a turbocharged mustang.
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not in manitoba, this was in mission bc, I wa the one that baught Dahl Sangha's setup, we are making some bigger changes to it, in hopes of it going even faster.
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Hahaha....So when you buy some of Dal's car parts you become Dal???
Why do you say, "I was running those things around 76% duty cycle" and "I put 1543rwhp..."? You weren't doing these things...Dal was. You have never ran these parts down the 1/4 yourself, you just purchased his combo. Purchasing the parts does not give you the justification to say that YOU were the one that actually did it, especially when you were 3 provinces away when the feats were actually being accomplished by Dal.
Further, I heard that you sold the heads, trans, and FAST system to Headless Horsemen Racing, and all that you have left from Dal's car is the shortblock and rearend.
So hey...I have Dal's old Eagle forged rotating assembly. Does that mean that I have 1543 horsepower and a 7 second car too?

To those that dont know him, Dal is a great guy to talk to and has an awesome attitude, and that's why he's so popular with sponsors and race fans; having the fastest mustang in Western Canada is just a part of it. I guess thats why others are so eager to be his 'imposters'.
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Does Dal have a web site or a shop number that he can be reached at? Just to have another person to have on my people to know list if nothing else.

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While not a mustang owner right now, I would say go for the 160's and dial out the fuel to a safe level. It's always much easier to take fuel away than push the envelope with undersized injectors. That's why I stepped up from MSD 50's to the Siemens 72# injs on my GN instead of just going to 55#r's. I found it much better to run rich with lower inj duty cycles and fuel pressure, than have to push the duty cycles/fuel pressure up to higher numbers just to get the A/F you need to be safe. Since you'll be using the FAST system, definitely go with the 160's. You can easily dial them back enough to make it idle/drive semi decently...at least as decently as can be expected with your combo...lol. JMO on the matter.


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Thanks Evil87GN for the reply. the 160s is what I have decided to run.

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sorry my bad....thanks for being the ******* johny......I worded it wrong.....this was the info that was passed to me from dal, when I had talked to him a number of times...sorry but now that I own the stuff I plan on chnging some of the stuff he was running to try and go faster......I figured wording it from me, would be alot easier then to explain the situation of me owning his old driveline! and we did make some changes and yes there was some trades made, but I still have a complete driveline, that will do the same as what dal's stuff did. so sorry If I missinformed you, don't listen to what I said even thought the info I have is from someone who has gone 7's with the setup....Don't listen to me I don't what I am talkign about because I worded my sentance wrong. put in 36#'s those will work....was that what you were expecting me to say. Sorry, beleive what you want. people just come in to bash because they are jealous, of what I will be able to accomplish and they can't!
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10seclx the problem that I had with what you said was that you misrepresented yourself. You claimed that you did something, when in fact it was someone else, and this is dishonest.
You say that it would be difficult to explain the situation? How about something like this:
"Dal Sangha ran 160's with accel, he put 1543 rwhp with a 347, high ports, mondo, and 101mm turbonetics turbo. He was running those things around 76% duty cycle."
There...was that hard??? This would help out the person who asked the question, without you misrepresenting yourself as someone else.
Why would you feel the need to explain your situation...that you now own the parts??? Does this matter to the persons original question? NO. It's great that you have the "info from someone that has gone 7's with the setup". So add that info, which would help the original poster, without misrepresenting yourself. It was MUCH more than you just wording your sentence wrong; you intentionally tried to make clear the fact that YOU were the one that accomplished these things. Look at how much you use the word "I" and "my", to leave little doubt that it was you who did these things.
I think that you are trying to ride on someone's coattails and boast about the parts that you have (as you have also done on some posts on Stangnet). Otherwise the fact that you own the parts wouldnt be applicable to the original question, and shouldn't even need to come up.
Another problem that I have about you misrepresenting yourself, is that Dal is a very great guy to talk to, but also very proud of his accomplishments (7's is no easy feat). Someone else claiming that THEY did this, seems to override or negate what Dal worked so hard to accomplish. I have seen Dals' car several times in person, and can appreciate the time, money, patience, dedication and hard work that goes into running a 7 second, 1543 horsepower car. After all of this enormous effort, I dont think that he would appreciate someone else trying to claim that it was THEM that did these things. Coming into possession of SOME of the parts AFTER THE FACT does not mean that you accomplished this!
I talked to the people at Headless Horsemen Racing who told me that they own the heads, trans, fast system, and Mondo cooler (and I even saw the pics that they posted to verify this!). I was also told that you now own just the shortblock and rearend.
I am in NO WAY jealous because you bought a couple of parts off of his car...I am mad because you are claiming the accomplishments and achievments of one of the people that I look up to the most in the world of mustang drag racing. And you had no part at all in these accomplishments and achievments. It's alright to be proud of what someone achieves, and tell others about it. But when you try and imply that it was YOU who achieved this...then there is a problem.

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LOL...and who exactally did you talk to from headless, or did you just view the page??
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The 96's will be more tuneable. With the 160's, 1 number on the map will be a large change, because the each millisecond that the injector opens still is a substantial amount of fuel. The 96's aren't as large, so you can fine tune a little more.

Ultimately, if you are planning to up the power beyond where you're expecting now, go with the 160's. Pointless to spend the money on 96's and learn just ahead on the road that you need larger.

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Thanks Stang Girl! Everyone that I talk to has said to go with the 160's due to the same point that you have said. Brian at ELD and Job Spetter of AMS and Joe Gerst that owns that 89 ford procharger Lincoln Town Car you see in the magazines. Got the chance to spend the evening with all three at ELD Performance while Job was dynoing a 1300 hp Chevy truck for a customer.

By the way have not seen you in the magazines recently. Still got the same car? How you doing this year? And last are you going to be at Rockingham, Denwity VA, or Bolingreen KY this year? If so hope to meet you. Your one of the few women I have seen and must respect on the mustang circuit. (P.s. excuse my spelling).

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Your welcome! Yes, I still have the same car. I'm doing extremely well this season running FFW Drag Radial. I runner-up'd at the first 2 races, am the first female in the 8's on a radial tire, and am trailing #1 by 6 points in the championship chase. I'll be at all the FFW races, and hopefully at the Bowling Green event. Hope to meet you there!

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Determendford: Dal doesnt have his own speed shop, and he doesnt have a website yet. He is sometimes on Stangnet, in the "canada west" forum. If you really need to get ahold of him sometime, send me a pm, and I will pass along his cell # to you.
He really is very knowledgeable, and the few times that I have talked to him at the track he was very helpful and informative.

--By the way, your setup looks awesome, let us know when you get some timeslips. (I'd go with the 160's also, but looks like thats what your going to do! )
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Stang Girl glad you are doing well. Hope to run into you as well. Good luck with the rest of your season. If I see ya on a forum I'll say HI!

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Johnny Lats thanks for the info. If you want to send any other info just send it to [email protected].


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we did make some changes and yes there was some trades made, but I still have a complete driveline, that will do the same as what dal's stuff did. so sorry If I missinformed you, don't listen to what I said even thought the info I have is from someone who has gone 7's with the setup....Don't listen to me I don't what I am talkign about because I worded my sentance wrong. Sorry, beleive what you want. people just come in to bash because they are jealous, of what I will be able to accomplish and they can't!
How do you have the same as Dal had?you sold the turbo,exhaust,traded the heads and trans for stuff that`s not as good as what you had.How you gonna go faster with that?Who would be jealous of some young punk who scammed his way into some cash ,bought a drivetrain for $40 grand then sold it for less than he paid.Oh ya but now your building a junkyard turbo.HAHAHAHA!!Funny to go from a fancy $40,000 combo to a $400 combo in a matter of months,what happened?
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Hahaha....So when you buy some of Dal's car parts you become Dal???
Why do you say, "I was running those things around 76% duty cycle" and "I put 1543rwhp..."? You weren't doing these things...Dal was. You have never ran these parts down the 1/4 yourself, you just purchased his combo. Purchasing the parts does not give you the justification to say that YOU were the one that actually did it, especially when you were 3 provinces away when the feats were actually being accomplished by Dal.
Further, I heard that you sold the heads, trans, and FAST system to Headless Horsemen Racing, and all that you have left from Dal's car is the shortblock and rearend.
So hey...I have Dal's old Eagle forged rotating assembly. Does that mean that I have 1543 horsepower and a 7 second car too?

To those that dont know him, Dal is a great guy to talk to and has an awesome attitude, and that's why he's so popular with sponsors and race fans; having the fastest mustang in Western Canada is just a part of it. I guess thats why others are so eager to be his 'imposters'.

Hello,

i was looking to build a 347 for boost, with low compression. could you gave me the low down, or parts used by dal, (i.e. heads,cam,block,pistons rods crank..exc...

i would Really appreciate it.

thanks!
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This was his old 347 combo: A4 block, Cranshaft Specialist billet crank which is hard chromed, Crower billet rods, JE custom turbo pistons, 1/2" head studs, main studs, high volume oil pump, cloyes double roller timing chain, ATI balancer. FAST engine management, Vortech Igloo intake, Trick Flow heads, powerglide tranny.
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