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My budget daily turbo build.

Bought this one 149,000 Aod 373s and probably a shift kit .Runs great.well going to keep this one a cheap car if I can on3 kit and gt40s and explorer intake and a 340 fuel pump arp bolts and head gaskets and 75 mm throttle body .
? Is I have a set of 42 pound injectors Ford Green tops these should be good for a 10 ta 12 pounds on E85 ?

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Bought this one 149,000 Aod 373s and probably a shift kit .Runs great.well going to keep this one a cheap car if I can on3 kit and gt40s and explorer intake and a 340 fuel pump arp bolts and head gaskets and 75 mm throttle body .
? Is I have a set of 42 pound injectors Ford Green tops these should be good for a 10 ta 12 pounds on E85 ?
Its going to depend on power level but typically with e85 I say the smallest injector to get is 60's. Any time someone asks me what size injector to get I always say the same thing. 80s are perfect. Unless youre making big power you wont outgrow them and the price difference between 60s and 80s is like 20$..


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12 psi is the safe limit for a 340 pump on 93 I am finding IMO. You can go more, but it won't maintain 1:1 linear pressure per psi.. Play at your own risk..

42lbs'er won't be nearly enough on e85..

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We dont have much 93oct here mostly 91 And E85 everywhere buy me .So I plan on runing E85 allway better to have more octane on a boost car in case of boost spike .I will sell the 42s and get some 80s thanks for the help I kinda new this but guess I needed to here it again.
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Who do you guys like for 80 pound a good injector at a decent price.
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Who do you guys like for 80 pound a good injector at a decent price.
I only know of one vendor that sells legit siemens.. I am sure there are others but there are so many fakes out there you want to use a trusted source. Check out PowerAdderSolutions, whatever you do, do not order from ebay or amazon or somene you do not know for sure sells legit siemens.. if they arent about 400$, they arent real, and if they arent real, you wont be able to tune them..

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I recommend looking at Holley Injectors.

Stock block 306, V1 T-trim, AFM B-451 cam, TFS Twisted Wedge, Holley Systemax, A1000, Snow Meth, TKO 600, Team Z, Strange, MM, Lakewood and Moser helps me go forward fast.
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About a $130.00 price from Holly's to deka on a budget build I think I should have to go with the cheaper.Keep in mind I dont think I will push her to often above 8 pounds I could be wrong the motor does seem strong I have not done a comp test to it .
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that's what you think.. lol
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Everyone- Place your best on how long the head gaskets last:....

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About a $130.00 price from Holly's to deka on a budget build I think I should have to go with the cheaper.Keep in mind I dont think I will push her to often above 8 pounds I could be wrong the motor does seem strong I have not done a comp test to it .
I hear ya, but injectors are an investment. They can come with you to different builds. They are damn nice quality though.
The Deka’s are a good choice too. Used both with no issue at all.

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Well my head gasket will be fine new gaskets going in with arp bolts and my gt40s .I'm not new to boost just boost on mustangs.Had a rotary with a single never blew it up once .Have a motorcycle with boost over 15 years not blown up .But again asking ?s if Holly is the only way to go then I will spend it .I guess since I figured I was keeping boost low and E-85 some not so bad injectors whould be fine sounds like I may be wrong that's why I'm asking .
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injectors are an investment
This is exactly why I recommend 80s.. Pay once and be done with it.. I personally prefer Siemens because they get the job done, and they are the same injectors Ford Performance sells. All of Fords injector data is readily available for Ford ECUs.. I only saw voltage offset for the Holleys, but it is probably out there somewhere.. Its just really easy to find with Siemens...

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Well my head gasket will be fine new gaskets going in with arp bolts and my gt40s .I'm not new to boost just boost on mustangs.Had a rotary with a single never blew it up once .Have a motorcycle with boost over 15 years not blown up .But again asking ?s if Holly is the only way to go then I will spend it .I guess since I figured I was keeping boost low and E-85 some not so bad injectors whould be fine sounds like I may be wrong that's why I'm asking .
In my opinion there is no advantage with the holleys... No need to pay extra money. I highly doubt you will outgrow the Siemes and if you do, you would be outgrowing the holleys too..

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On this one I really dont plan out growing that's what I have my 95 for but I'm not going cheap with that build .But this one I'm just trying to do budget .I think it is tougher some tolimes to do budget building than the xtreme building .On the extreme building you just buy the best from the get go.
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My build is budget build with plans to upgrade things. I have a cheap turbo, cheap intercooler, cheap summit mufflers, made all the piping myself, but at the same time I have good parts where I need them like the tial BOV and Wastegate HPX Maf.. Some things, regardless if its a budget build or a all out build, should not be skimped on. I still think 80s regardless of manufacturer should be the minimum injector size you are looking at

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The 80s are the plan at this point .The debate is the deka 80s or ylthe Holly's 80s at this point some are saying I'm runing on a fault line by saving a few bucks with the dekas.
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The 80s are the plan at this point .The debate is the deka 80s or ylthe Holly's 80s at this point some are saying I'm runing on a fault line by saving a few bucks with the dekas.
ok then.. you go ahead and spend an extra 150$ for an extra 3 lbs of fuel per injector...

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I'm not saying I'm willing to do that some post above said watch how long his head gaskets will last just pointing out the coments.
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Will the stock fuel lines and rails support 80s?

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I think a cheap up grade is 94 95 fual rails.
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I'm not saying I'm willing to do that some post above said watch how long his head gaskets will last just pointing out the coments.
The headgasket comment has nothing to do with the difference between siemens and holley injectors, that was in reference to you saying you werent going to boost it hard and wanted to stick with 42s...

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Oh I see well I hope that's not the case lol
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Oh I see well I hope that's not the case lol
..boost is addicting. I had a stock long block Grand National and I told myself that with the new turbo I would limit boost to 25psi.. That lasted about 3 months and soon boosted 32psi. Popped the gaskets the first time and then put studs in it and she held 35psi no problem.. My current Mustang is set to 32psi....boost is addicting.


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Oh yes I know how that works had a single turbo rx7 but no head gaskets any detail you blow the motor kept it alive a long time over 10 years never blew it up.
Turbo busa 589 rwhp 35 pounds of boost on a T61 never blew it up.built that back in 2003.
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Boost on one particular system is not the same as boost on a different system. It isn't the xx pounds of boost that causes the problem.

Any problems are caused by the change in pressure and how much headroom a particular system has in everything affected by a change in pressure. Systems also can become non-linear, where things just suddenly go bad.

I increasing cylinder pressure 80% in a healthy stock engine isn't a problem if everything is tuned correctly, but the only way to know is to try it. You'll find any mistakes or abnormally weak areas if you try it.


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Yes I understand what you are saying.
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I say trans gives up before head gaskets anyway. Should be a fun car. You will be surprised what 10psi will do for a stockish 5.0.
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Ya I think your rite on the trans a Fox with 400 rwhp will give alot of grief to the avg sports cars a little surprise for bvb them .
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So what size throttle body should I throw on this 75 mm?
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For what you're wanting HP wise I vote stock TB size.

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That's sounds good to me .I do have a 65 mm Accufab been siting on the shelf for years with a egr spacer so I could throw that on it's free at this point.
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That's sounds good to me .I do have a 65 mm Accufab been siting on the shelf for years with a egr spacer so I could throw that on it's free at this point.
I think people are running low 9's and maybe 8's with a 75mm so no need to change from a stock size for what you're wanting to do..

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Friend ran 8.67 at 163 with a 65mm tb.
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