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post #1 of 69 Old 10-31-2016, 09:29 PM Thread Starter
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Should I switch to turbo??

I have been throwing around the idea for a good while now. I am one way then the other. I have a v2 s trim on my 94 cobra that is fully built with a boss block. My cars weakest point is the clutch and everything can easily hold 700rwhp 700 rwtq.
my s trim is only putting down horsepower in the 500s and that's after I fix the valve float at 5000. For this car not to be making 625 is a waste. Which that is my goal is 625 rwhp. This car will be drive 8-10k miles a year. So I am here for u guys to debate this with facts. Keep my v2, change out my cobra intake, get a little more aggressive tuning, throw everything but the sink at it to maybe make 600.
Sell my s trim, buy a on3 kit up grade to a 84mm turbo and make the power I need to easy.... I love the way my car sounds now. I am concerned the turbo will change the sound at idle. I will enjoy the way the turbo sounds spooling.... Is the turbo kit hard to install?

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I have been throwing around the idea for a good while now. I am one way then the other. I have a v2 s trim on my 94 cobra that is fully built with a boss block. My cars weakest point is the clutch and everything can easily hold 700rwhp 700 rwtq.
my s trim is only putting down horsepower in the 500s and that's after I fix the valve float at 5000. For this car not to be making 625 is a waste. Which that is my goal is 625 rwhp. This car will be drive 8-10k miles a year. So I am here for u guys to debate this with facts. Keep my v2, change out my cobra intake, get a little more aggressive tuning, throw everything but the sink at it to maybe make 600.
Sell my s trim, buy a on3 kit up grade to a 84mm turbo and make the power I need to easy.... I love the way my car sounds now. I am concerned the turbo will change the sound at idle. I will enjoy the way the turbo sounds spooling.... Is the turbo kit hard to install?
They are 2 totally different animals and it really depends what your goals/budget are. I ran multiple Vortech blowers from an S trim, Si trim, and a V7 JT that was pretty heavily modified on my 2v with meth, blower cams, built motor, built auto, etc. The car was fun on the street, but I starved the motor for oil and wiped out a few pistons and damaged a few walls. I decided to sell all my blower stuff and go turbo so I'm doing exactly what you are considering. I have a build thread up, but let me tell you man it's a lot of stuff to change and a lot of work, along with a lot of money. I just got tired of belt slip, the nightmare of changing the belt, always having tensioners/idlers squealing, etc. I don't have it up and running yet so I can't provide real world numbers or experience, but for an idea I was making 600rwhp out of my 2v with a V7 JT trim and meth on 93 octane at 20psi. On my new setup I did up the compression to 10:1 (old setup was 9.5:1), I upgraded to TF 38cc heads from ported PI heads, I changed cams from real mild blower cams to MHS stage 3 turbo grinds, and I will be running E85 on new build. I'm shooting for 750-800rwhp at probably around 20psi with a PTE 7675. Let me know if you have any questions or if I can give you any honest feedback with whats involved with this type of change I would be glad to give you any info. Good luck with whatever you decide.


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I will not change cam. Anderson b31hr is said to be "okay" my fuel system is an A1000 complete system and ID1000 injectors. I am
Shooting for 15 psi. So what am I going to be looking to change if I am not changing cam? No fuel upgrades. I will actually just keep my precision turbo intercooler and sell my blower with the on3 turbo intercooler.
So basically I will remove blower install turbo that's it. My pan is already tapped for oil lines.
Will my car sound okay with the turbo??
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I will not change cam. Anderson b31hr is said to be "okay" my fuel system is an A1000 complete system and ID1000 injectors. I am
Shooting for 15 psi. So what am I going to be looking to change if I am not changing cam? No fuel upgrades. I will actually just keep my precision turbo intercooler and sell my blower with the on3 turbo intercooler.
So basically I will remove blower install turbo that's it. My pan is already tapped for oil lines.
Will my car sound okay with the turbo??
Well I decided to go a little more custom on the turbo build. I went with a CG Fab hot side and am having cold side fabricated. I run the same injectors as well. What are the specs to those cams? Cams with a turbo will really effect spool time. Right off the bat if you don't have tubular front suspension you'll need to make that conversion to make clearance for the hotside piping. How are you planning on controlling boost? EBC or manual? Whats your current MAF setup?

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A blow through ba5000 I believe.

On3 doesn't say that u have to have a tubular K. For the 2v I know u have to.

On a down side I'll have to return and my tuner is 5hrs away
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Between an S trim and on3, I'd stick with Vortech. If you would go custom or upgrades on the turbo setup than I'd go turbo. Just my personal opinion
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I've just seen stock block stock head guys make great power on these kits I figured my intercooler and use there ceramic ball bearing turbo I might get some real good gains
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I've just seen stock block stock head guys make great power on these kits I figured my intercooler and use there ceramic ball bearing turbo I might get some real good gains
I would just make sure you do your homework with on3...
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The on3 kit was a very easy install on my 89. Most of the kit seems to be good quality. My turbo junked out in less than 20 miles, so I would just get the standard 70mm turbo, use it as a doorstop, and put something good on. If I had to do it over, I would just built my own kit.
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So if you're going to usethe on 3 turbo as a door stop why not spend the money and get a a better kit B.G they have a knock off on 3 for 1850. And one with a better turbo and stuff for 2800.why mess with the on3 ?

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The on3 kit was a very easy install on my 89. Most of the kit seems to be good quality. My turbo junked out in less than 20 miles, so I would just get the standard 70mm turbo, use it as a doorstop, and put something good on. If I had to do it over, I would just built my own kit.
How was customer service did they take care of the new turbo or did u have to buy a new one out of pocket. I wanted to upgrade to a 76 journal bearing turbo.
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Just put a set of Hoosier drag radials on er. No spin. Takes the scare factor right out of my car.
Me and my tuner spoke and we discussed replacing my valve springs THEN if I am not happy switching to a turbo. As of right now I have had no issue with my v2.
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Customer service was pretty good, I told them what I wanted in my kit, placed my order on Monday, it showed up FedEx on Wednesday! The turbo was not taken care of by on3. There is a 30 or 90 day warranty on them, (from purchase date) I had mine on the shelf for almost a year before the kit was installed. The 76mm journal bearing with a .94 turbine housing wouldn't spool up on my 306 till around 4k rpm, and was not a good choice with a stick car. Put a 72mm Turbonetics ball bearing unit with a .81 turbine housing........boost at 2k rpm!
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Idk why I want to switch to turbo when my power goals are obtainable with my s trim.

How would the original 70mm turbo do? Trying to make 600 rwhp
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Im interested as well , 363 dart with a Novi 2000 nothing in the car yet all waiting to go in, but have the dilemma of selling the Novi and going turbo
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Basically what I am looking for is what advantages is a turbo going to be over the s trim I currently have.

Is my car still going to sound good??
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Is my car still going to sound good??[/QUOTE]
Yea I get sick of the sound of"spooling up" and the BOV.........said no one ever lol. As far as the 70mm on3 unit, I would ditch it for a nicer unit.
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A turbo is slower making boost than a blower and it really could use a different cam. A small turbo like PT7675CEA with the right cam and heads on a 330 or larger will spool fast and make a ton of power. I got up around 1000 with one and it spooled in about 1 second off a fast idle.

If you only want 700 RWHP you should be able to get that with an si trim and decent cam and heads. My 363 with 205CNC TFS made that.

One caution, the turbo is a whole lot more heat under the hood. If you mostly street drive you will have to be careful about under hood heat with a turbo.


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A turbo is slower making boost than a blower and it really could use a different cam. A small turbo like PT7675CEA with the right cam and heads on a 330 or larger will spool fast and make a ton of power. I got up around 1000 with one and it spooled in about 1 second off a fast idle.

If you only want 700 RWHP you should be able to get that with an si trim and decent cam and heads. My 363 with 205CNC TFS made that.

One caution, the turbo is a whole lot more heat under the hood. If you mostly street drive you will have to be careful about under hood heat with a turbo.
I want to make 625 rwhp 3100 ibs good suspension. That's my goal.
Is a turbo "faster" than a centri?

What's the real advantage if I did switch.
Anderson motor sports said this cam would be great for a 67mm-76mm turbo
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You mentioned On3.
You mentioned 600whp.
You mentioned going to an 84mm.

With a SBF at your goals I would keep the base 70mm.
I can't see any reason for a needed change.
At least I liked the base On3 70mm more than I liked my PTE 7675 CEA.

I also switched from a blower to a turbo. I'll never go back to a blower.

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You mentioned On3.
You mentioned 600whp.
You mentioned going to an 84mm.

With a SBF at your goals I would keep the base 70mm.
I can't see any reason for a needed change.
At least I liked the base On3 70mm more than I liked my PTE 7675 CEA.

I also switched from a blower to a turbo. I'll never go back to a blower.
So you can tell me what I am going to gain and what I am going to loose. Is it worth the installation and maybe 1000$ after I sell my supercharger parts and get a retune??
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So you can tell me what I am going to gain and what I am going to loose. Is it worth the installation and maybe 1000$ after I sell my supercharger parts and get a retune??
Not sure I'm following your question? What do you mean Gain/Loose?
You said you'd need to throw the sink at your car to make 600 with the blower. Basic stock builds can make that with the base On3 kit with the 70mm. Is that a Gain or Loss?
Then you asked about the sound. The sound is all relative to user preferences. My opinion on sound is pointless to yours. But I giggle every time the waste gate cracks!

Bracket racers still like blowers. HP junkies like turbos. Both are forced induction, but are 2 different animals.

I like turbos and won't go back to blowers. I can run low to part throttle and have near stock like manners. But I can also hit max boost in a snap. That's a Gain in my book.
Turbos will heat soak your motor. That's a loss. I installed a ton of 'Heatshield Products' both 1/4" & 1/2" and have no heating issues running A/C. For me it was a Loss that I was able to mitigate.

My blower & NOS car used a T-56. At times that was a Gain.
My turbo car started out as a MMR prepped TKO-600. I found the manual shift to be a Loss on it. I'm now running a powerglide automatic. Some would view an automatic as a Loss?? After driving an automatic w/turbo, my viewpoint has changed to be a Gain. Lots of fun!!!

If you're going to base a Gain/Loss on a $1,000 budget. I'd say stay as far away from turbos as you can!!! Boost is easy & very very addictive with turbos. No such thing as a $1,000 and DONE.

You will find very few people that built a $1,000 build budget turbo car and been done. It's always....new fuel system....new suspension....bigger turbo....new transmission....new fuel injectors....new fuel....new computer....new tires....and it never ends. My wife views that as a Loss. I view it as a Gain.

It's all relative

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My fuel is ready for 1k and just about everything else is.... 1k after I sell my vortech which should be 2500
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When I ran the same boost as I ran with a V3si, about 10-12 psi, my 76mm turbo would run about the same MPH and ET as the V3si. It might have been a little faster, but not that much that I could swear to a noticeable change. The difference is I could run 25 psi of boost with the little 76mm turbo, and that was way faster. It was also far more boost.

From what I have seen of ysi trim chargers, they run ET's about like my 7675CEA when the ysi has about the same or a little less boost.

So I would say this.....

If you run around on the street and have a stick, just stay with a supercharger and size it up or improve it. If you have an automatic and want to really make some power, you might like the turbo a whole lot more. A turbo fits the automatic and going high power better.


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When I ran the same boost as I ran with a V3si, about 10-12 psi, my 76mm turbo would run about the same MPH and ET as the V3si. It might have been a little faster, but not that much that I could swear to a noticeable change. The difference is I could run 25 psi of boost with the little 76mm turbo, and that was way faster. It was also far more boost.

From what I have seen of ysi trim chargers, they run ET's about like my 7675CEA when the ysi has about the same or a little less boost.

So I would say this.....

If you run around on the street and have a stick, just stay with a supercharger and size it up or improve it. If you have an automatic and want to really make some power, you might like the turbo a whole lot more. A turbo fits the automatic and going high power better.
Thank you Tom that helps alot
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Buddy made 590hp at 17lbs of boost with a S trim on a 331. To make it simple change your intake and up the boost
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Buddy made 590hp at 17lbs of boost with a S trim on a 331. To make it simple change your intake and up the boost
My tuner says he has done it before. What heads and intake?
I am considering the super victor EFI. The one that has a carb style hat.
Only down fall is I would have to get rid of my aero motive fuel tails
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I have a friend running a dart 347, s-trim, a and a cobra intake. He switched to the Holley systemax in hopes of large gains, he said in the end he questions if he should have just stuck with the cobra. His car runs consistent 10.0's and even the occasional 9.xx
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Did he pick up any power???
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When I ran the same boost as I ran with a V3si, about 10-12 psi, my 76mm turbo would run about the same MPH and ET as the V3si. It might have been a little faster, but not that much that I could swear to a noticeable change. The difference is I could run 25 psi of boost with the little 76mm turbo, and that was way faster. It was also far more boost.

From what I have seen of ysi trim chargers, they run ET's about like my 7675CEA when the ysi has about the same or a little less boost.

So I would say this.....

If you run around on the street and have a stick, just stay with a supercharger and size it up or improve it. If you have an automatic and want to really make some power, you might like the turbo a whole lot more. A turbo fits the automatic and going high power better.
So I have browsing around the web seeing some aftermarket impeller options for the S trim. Considering doing a rmebuild and upgrade the impeller.


Anyone had any experience? Still considering on3
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I believe the vortech can be upgraded to the Si or Ti trim. Check the classifieds section on here, there is a guy selling an on3 kit.
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So what was your end result? I've been saving for a while to buy a power adder and have been bothered with the same question. I felt that the V1 might be a little annoying at times? Heard rumors that turbos are headaches. I want to run about 8lbs of boost on my stock short block car with either setup. Go vortech or on3?
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Basic on3 kit with obvious heat wrap everywhere, 42 or 60lb injectors, anyone tune with a PMS? BTW, this is going on a fox
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