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post #1 of 41 Old 01-17-2003, 12:20 AM Thread Starter
 
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Gen VII Up in Flames

Alright here goes. I have been using the Accel Gen 6 for about a year now. Last week I decided to step up to the new and improved Gen VII. After saving damn near every penny I could spare I bought it and installed it this weekend.

After getting the harness squared away, routing all the wires neatly, making sure I had good quality connections (all shrink wrapped) everything looked great. I started it up (first try) set the TPS and fuel pressure I backed it out of the driveway and drove it around for about 2 miles. I got back to the house pretty stoked about my new system. I wanted to drive it to work the next day so I went over everything once again double checking the plug wires weren't touching the headers, making sure the power steering pump hose wouldn't burn on the crossover pipe, making sure I had no fuel leaks, etc,etc, I felt it was road worthy. I closed the hood and waited for morning.

I got ready for work started the car up and let it idle for a few minutes to get some temp on the gauge. Once that was good once again I backed out of the driveway. Well I headed out into traffic and got about an 1/8 mile away from the house. I was doing about 45 -50mph when I noticed FLAMES coming out of the vents in my Mach 1 hood. I pulled over as fast as I could, popped the hood latch and ran to the front of the car. I didn't have my fire extinguisher w/ me (stupid , stupid). All I had was a cup of coffee in my hand, I threw it in one of the vents and opened the hood. I saw 2 fires, one was in the front directly under the dual sync distributor. The harness was in flames. The other fire was behind the intake on the wiring harness. I ran back inside the car, grabbed my other cup of coffee (its a 35 mile drive to work) and threw it on the flames. No help. I started digging the dirt up and throwing it on the fire. Fortunately a guy ran up gave me a fire extinguisher and I got the fire out. The fire department got there just as I put it out.

The investigation from the fire marshall said the distributor harness caused the fire. He said he could tell the fire started there because of the way the car was burnt.

Wonderful, just friggin wonderful. I have owned this same car for 11 years. NEVER has it caught fire, nor has it ever been in a wreck and this happens. What I wanted to know is if ANYONE has had an experience such as mine with the Gen VII. BTW, I have asked a few companies and they didn't have a clue. One guy suggested it was a fuel leak. Well I hooked up the fuel pump direct (Weldon 2025) and let run for a few minutes while I wiggled the hoses and fittings and not one small leak. Hell, my hose that goes from the pass side around the distributor to the FPR is damn near melted but it still isn't leaking. Very thankful for braided line.

Again, has anybody encountered a problem like this? I am sick to my stomach that I spent $2350 plus shipping and I have no more than a few miles on it and this happens. Thank you for listening

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Dude.....................
I thought you were kidding the other night when you said you were gonna cut the top out and burn trash in it. Anyhow, I am working nights, but will try to catch up with you this weekend to help out getting it squared away.

Man, you have had nothing but gremlins and the Reaper after that car.

What's the word, who's going to foot the bill for this one?


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Ohh you would never guess! Me! The new harness will cost $650 and some change. The Dual Sync distributor is $300 and the wiring harness for it is $50. Add all of this up and then tack on shipping. I haven't even added the possibility that the computer might be hurt. I simply can't afford this crap anymore.



P.S The wife is about as hot about this as my car was
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Thats rough - best of luck with things. Maybe Accel will work up a deal with you considering the circumstance. I'm sure they'll claim no negligence on the part of their product but maybe they'll help you out.

Let us know what happens.
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Damn man, that's rough. Hope you get it sorted out.

On the other hand, you could convert to blow-through carb.
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DAM!

Yea..that really sucks. Hope you can get it all sorted out.

Throw the stock ecc back in there with an eec-tuner or something and be done with it

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65_289_Coupe, If I wouldn't have to take such a loss on everything it would be a great possibility.(Weldon FP/ 72lb inj/intake)..... I did however, convert my 85 Turbocoupe T-Bird from a carb 302 to an A-trimed carbed 302. I do have to say it works. I picked up 7mph in the 1/8. I went from 84 to 91.6 w/ no other changes and thats with an AOD.

Fastlane, If Accel will not help me (many people are saying they should replace for free plus the damage to the injectors hood and everything else) then I might have to do that. Then again I will need injectors and a custom chip...Arrg Oh yeah and a blow through mass air.

How do you post pics on here. I have about ohhh lets see...about 34 to choose from. If you want I could try to show you a couple.

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Michael, email the pics to me here at work, and I can post them

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Okay, let me pic a few out.

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Hey e-mail me your addy so I can send em

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I sent you an email, just reply to it.......

I am lucky enough to be working nights all weekend. I finally got the engine in the Coupe...Now I have the Yukon broke in my garage and having to work nights and sleep days....man this sucks...

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Well, here it is. It ain't pretty.

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Here are two more.....


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I think she got a hold of it.... Sorry Mike, just had to throw that in to boost your spirits......Cheer up, we'll get it straight....

Mods, please let this pic fly, this poor guy has been dealing with his DFI probs for months now, I am just trying to cheer him up, and he is a friend of mine, so he know's it's in good spirit. If it can't stay, just delete my post and let this thread ride on.....Thanks corral......

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So... the pics of the girl are gone....

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Have you had any luck in rebuilding your system? Did anyone ever figure out exactly what went wrong? Who (if anyone) stepped up for some new parts?
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Hey thanks for asking. Well, after several phone calls to Accel, Job Spetter and George at Turbo Tech, nobody could figure out what could have happened to it.

I had almost given up when George took pity on me and helped me out with the harness. (Great person/company to deal with) I still need a few things like, dist cap, tps harness, and a sensor or two. I might need to get up to 3, 72lb injectors and a 3bar map sensor. The injectors are a little crispy but so far they aren't leaking. I haven't started the car yet to know for sure what is really bad and what isn't. I might get a chance this weekend to try it out but I am a still a little nervous. I don't completely trust it yet.

I will let you know.


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Oh yeah, I have not one but TWO fire extinquishers in the car now
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I also wasn't able to rebuild the harness at all. When I sent everything back to Accel they said yep, it burnt, but we can't say what started it. You will have to get another one. I really hate to buy things twice...... The wife has given me some guidance to go by....if you want a part for your car, you need to save enough money to buy it twice because you know with the luck you are having you will have to. (2 turbos, 2 gen 7's, 3 engine rebuilds, 2 anti roll bars, 2 sets of head gaskets[ I had to have my heads o-rings twice, the work the first time wasn't right, go figure] two programs for the gen 6 dfi, and there is more but I am tired of thinking about it. Oh yeah, this is all within 17 months and I have been deployed for almost 7 of them!!

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damn dude im sorry to hear about your ride!!! I hope things work out for you getting your car back to the way it was. keep us posted how things turn out.

if you send me the pics i can host them for you and post em for you.... my email is [email protected]


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Huh, seems like you dont have the best of luck on getting setup...Did you have to buy a whole new Gen 7 again though after you had problems? 3 engine rebuild, mulitple other things done twice...Whats going on down there, is the sun getting to ya??? Keep us posted!

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Well, how goes it? The wife tells me you are ready to fire it back up? What's the status? When you get yours patched up can you go ahead and get mine ready to go for when I get home?

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Well, I started it tonight....So far no fires. Monday I will try to take it for a ride. I took the hood off for a while, this way I can see a fire before it gets too out of control. Yes, two fire extinguishers are near by.

Evil...I will try to take some pics tomorrow and send them to you. At least I will have some proof of what it looks like and that it really runs....well, hopefully..

Ron, I need a new hobby. I am thinking of taking up something like knitting or maybe just sleeping. Now that I think of it, I might go back to work, I can get rest there. heh heh

My8950... I had to buy a new harness. The Gen 7 computer checked out fine. That was a relief. So far it seems my sensors are okay and the injectors aren't leaking so... we will see what happens over the next few days

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Evil...I will try to take some pics tomorrow and send them to you. At least I will have some proof of what it looks like and that it really runs....well, hopefully..

ok no worries, and good luck!

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I think you and I should both take up new hobbies. I think we should turn to marathon TV watching. It sucks being halfway around the world and having two cars that would be major fun to drive, and having all my friends stuff broken also. How's your brothers car doing? Well, good luck with the car. See you in May, I'll bring you a piece of the Rock!

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heres your pics







I must say you got a pretty sweet ride

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Hey that's my Water Pump pulley! Looking good man. 2 weeks down, 11 to go. See you then, I am expecting a ride.

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Thumbs up Nice ride

Car looks great.

What rear wheel size are those and the rear spacing? What size tires too?

Hope you got the DFI system fixed so there's no more fires. Take care and keep us updated, Brent.

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Hey Brent! I haven't talked to you in a while. I kinda changed my mind on the project of making my car a carb/turbo setup as you can see.

The rear wheels are 15X10 w/ a 6.5 bs. I am using a 5/16 spacer to make sure the tires clear the coil overs. The tires are 295-50-15 Pep Boy specials. Not a bad tire to drive on everyday considering they were only $65 a tire.

So far the DFI is working as it should. The car is still a little rich (smell fuel in the oil) but if I can get up w/ Job Jr in a week or so he can get it all strightened out for me.

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Kewl,

The DFI is the way to go. Although it can be done with the carb blow-thru too. A guy just made 951 HP with a 850 DP and a D2R Procharger. No track times yet but that's still good power considering that lots of ppl STILL don't beleive it can work properly.

Definately keep me on your mind when you have questions and dyno results.

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Wow, 951 is great. What kind of hp/times are you running these days? The last time we talked you were changing combos...

On a note not related to this thread...A friend of mine had an S-trim/347/chip combo and was making around 480 at the wheels (converter was screwing up readings on dyno. Track times were in the low 6's) Anyway he upgraded to the YS trim and gained about 82hp. Then he went to Gen 6 dfi....His car made 730 rwhp. this was with no other changes besides tune and this was on a Mustang Dynometer. The thing was a beast. I say was because he was running a late model roller block with a cast 347 Scat crank. The block split in about 3 places, the crank broke and the lower intake cracked at the end because of the block splitting...man I hope I can do that one day!!

Well talk to you later..


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Holy Crap! You mean Dennis split his Block! Well, I guess that answers my question how his car is doing. What is he going to do now? 408? Tell him I have that 351 block if he needs it. That really blows, but like he said, it's coming!!! Man I am glad I picked up the R302 block, guess I'm gonna pull the 347 out of the stock block, and slap it into the R block before I bolt the YS on it.

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Yeah I'd say that the 730 RWHP definately broke his block

I did do a R302 with TFS high port heads. I plan on trying to make a few dyno pulls within the next few days as long as all this damn snow melts . I am gonna guess it'll make about 700 RWHP since it made 600 with much less heads and cam. I'll let ya know what it did though, Brent.

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So whos pictures of the car in in this post now with the polished E'Brock manifold???? Thats pretty sweet....

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That would be mine, the Fire guy... I had to clean up the mess that the fire caused so, with all the time on my hands (3 weeks)I decided instead if re-powder coating I would just strip it down and polish it. Oh yeah, I was also tired of looking at the VICTOR 5.0 emblem so I grinded it away. Thanks

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Huh, the pics look tons different, all the stuff in the before pics was painted all kindsa crazy colors...Now just polished..Looks awesome...

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