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I was talking to a friend and found out a place i can get e85 from(8 mile drive), being in CA e85 isnt easy to come by. So my question is what would i need fuel wise to run e85?
My setup is F4TE 351 stock shortblock, FAC 190, f cam, gt40 lower/cartech upper with a Turbonetics t76 .96 a/r. For fuel i have, 60lb injectors, sn95 rails, aeromotive fpr, 255 intank/inline pumps.

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bigger injectors and at min 2 -255's...get rid of the inline pump

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Step up to 80lbs? Would they work with my stock ecu? How about a aeromotive 340?
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E85 takes around 25-30% more fuel by volume to reach the same level as gas. So whatever you could make on gas with injector/pump multiply that by %25-30.

What is your power goal?

I would stay away from the 340 pumps and go with a walbro 405.

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E85 takes around 25-30% more fuel by volume to reach the same level as gas. So whatever you could make on gas with injector/pump multiply that by %25-30.

What is your power goal?

I would stay away from the 340 pumps and go with a walbro 405.
Hoping for high 500s low 600s with a c4. Would 1 walbro 405 be enough? How about lines/rails?
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Are you already setup for return? And yes you will need 80lb injectors for those goals.

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Are you already setup for return? And yes you will need 80lb injectors for those goals.
Every thing else is stock, besides pumps,injectors, sn95 rails, and fpr.
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It may be doable I would say anything over 600 would need a line and rail upgrade as well as more pump or a bap on hobbs etc.

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Just got off the phone with my tuner. He recommended me to go with a A1000 setup and 85lb injectors.

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Just got off the phone with my tuner. He recommended me to go with a A1000 setup and 85lb injectors.
A1000 pumps never seem to last on the street back in the day, unless you put a drop down voltage regulator on it, unless there is new updated version, I don't know about.
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Unless its drag only trailered race car you will hate the a1000.

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What would you recommend? Im also looking at Glenns 1000hp fuel system.
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i run e-85 in mine. makes 520, with 65 lb injectors. build your fule system big. if you keep turning it up, you need alot of room to grow with corn. i use a magnafuel pump. its an amazing pump. ive had it 2 years, street drive, and interstate cruise, ( 3 hour trips) no fuel cooler, 100* days, no problems. the A1000 is a joke. magnafuel for the win, dont look back.

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this is the big dog pump, ( you prolly dont need a pump rated @ 2500 hp) but watch ebay casue not alot of people search for magnafuel. people always look for the a1000.

Magnafuel Prostar EFI SQ750 Electric Fuel Pump MP 4103 | eBay


this is the one i run, no complaints at all. and there fully rebuildable !! i called magnafuel earlier this year asking about upgrading my pump to the big dog, they told me all the motors are the same, its just the actual pump thats differnt, and they can convert it for $85. so it may make more sense to buy the one i have, and if you go bigger later, send it in, have it rebuilt for 85 monies, and your set!
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I make 800 rwhp with a Magnafuel 4303 pump. It's continuous duty and does not require a controller. I run 120# injectors and the rest of the system is a Glenn's 1000hp sleeper kit. I replaced the twin walbros with the Magnafuel. BBRC rails.

No doubt you will need to upgrade lines, pump AND rails. E85 is no joke when it comes to fuel requirements. It takes a lot more than with gas.

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mine took 50% more fuel switching from C-16 race gas to E85------- deff need alot of fuel system to suport the E85!!

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How about the Magnafuel MP4302 with glenns "Build your own sleeper tank kit" GP Build Your Own Sleeper Tank Fuel System (1979-1997) Glenn's Performance

Im also in the process to get some Paxton 1/2' fuel rails. Would the setup I mention work?
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I just made the switch to E85. I put in a MagnaFuel 4303 pump with a -12 to the pump, -10 from the pump to a Y bloch which feeds -8 to each fuel rail. I then came out of the rails with -8 to my Aeromotive regulator and a -10 return back to the tank. I went with a -10 return so I could add another 4303 pump in the future should my power goals exceed 900hp. I am currently running 160lb injectors.

My last fuel system was the same as yours until I made the change. Plan for the future with your fuel system so you dont have to do it again. I am running a GT4788 on a 347 with TFS TW heads. At 13 psi, the car is a total animal.
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I just made the switch to E85. I put in a MagnaFuel 4303 pump with a -12 to the pump, -10 from the pump to a Y bloch which feeds -8 to each fuel rail. I then came out of the rails with -8 to my Aeromotive regulator and a -10 return back to the tank. I went with a -10 return so I could add another 4303 pump in the future should my power goals exceed 900hp. I am currently running 160lb injectors.

My last fuel system was the same as yours until I made the change. Plan for the future with your fuel system so you dont have to do it again. I am running a GT4788 on a 347 with TFS TW heads. At 13 psi, the car is a total animal.
one thing i took into consideration when building mine is, magnafuel's pump is what -8 in and out? i never seen any reason to go bigger. ( even though i did on the feed) but its funny, thats all the bigger they built there pump fittings. i took that as a hint, right or wrong ,idk?? you sir have a fuel system for the future ,lol!!

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one thing i took into consideration when building mine is, magnafuel's pump is what -8 in and out? i never seen any reason to go bigger. ( even though i did on the feed) but its funny, thats all the bigger they built there pump fittings. i took that as a hint, right or wrong ,idk?? you sir have a fuel system for the future ,lol!!
I spoke with MagneFuel prior to doing the fuel system. They suggested the system as I layed it out. They recommend using one size larger line on the suction side of the pump. I found it weird considering that the pump only had a -8 inlet and outlet but its what MagnaFuel told me to do. I know that I have enough fuel system to carry me well into the future lol.
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one thing i took into consideration when building mine is, magnafuel's pump is what -8 in and out? i never seen any reason to go bigger. ( even though i did on the feed) but its funny, thats all the bigger they built there pump fittings. i took that as a hint, right or wrong ,idk?? you sir have a fuel system for the future ,lol!!
They offer. -10 pump. I run there mp-4103. It's there biggest pump they offer for electric anyway. It's 2500 capable. I run 10feed to y- from y to back of rails I did -8. -8 from front of rails to regulator and -8 return. I also talked w them and they said it should work fine!! I make lil over 1100hp. And this pump etc have worked great!!

I run billet atomizer 160# injectors. Went from 38ish d/c on c16. To high 70's duty cycle on e85!!

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They offer. -10 pump. I run there mp-4103. It's there biggest pump they offer for electric anyway. It's 2500 capable. I run 10feed to y- from y to back of rails I did -8. -8 from front of rails to regulator and -8 return. I also talked w them and they said it should work fine!! I make lil over 1100hp. And this pump etc have worked great!!

I run billet atomizer 160# injectors. Went from 38ish d/c on c16. To high 70's duty cycle on e85!!
I had purchased the 4103 pump and called MagnaFuel and told them my plans. They told me that the 4103 could only be used for street driving for 45mins at a time then it needed a 15min cool down period. They suggested the 4303 to me. I also have a Weldon 2345 sitting here if I ever decide to get real crazy. Plan big on the lines and you can always add more pump in the future. If the 4303 doesnt do it for me, I will toss in the Weldon and see how that works.
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I had purchased the 4103 pump and called MagnaFuel and told them my plans. They told me that the 4103 could only be used for street driving for 45mins at a time then it needed a 15min cool down period. They suggested the 4303 to me. I also have a Weldon 2345 sitting here if I ever decide to get real crazy. Plan big on the lines and you can always add more pump in the future. If the 4303 doesnt do it for me, I will toss in the Weldon and see how that works.
Yeah I do 0 street miles now. So no problem here. But either way ya got a good plan and pump!! Heck some ppl get away w junk a1000's. dont know how they do- luckier than me I guess . Cause I couldn't!!

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I came across 2 kits that seem like a good deal. What would be better, A1000 setup or twin external walbro 255 pumps?

Both are -8an feed and -6an return.
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The walbros.
Really? From what i've read its a love/hate thing with the A1000. Would twin 255 walbros supports 600-650rwhp on e85?
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I ditched my A1000 cause on e85...it would have been done at 575-600RW....

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I've had multiple friends with turbo LS cars max the dual 255s out on e85. All three of them maxed out within like 7hp of each other at 800hp. Then threw a BAP at it and turned up the boost more. I personally run 3 gsl392's on my car. The a1000 just plain isn't worth it no matter how you slice it.
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So twin 255s will support 600-650rwhp on e85 correct? What do you guys think it'll make, 351w F4TE rebuilt shortblock, FAC 190, fcam, gt40 lower/cartech upper, Turbonetics h.p t76 .96 a/r @14-15 psi on e85.
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I don't know what that combo will make, but I do know that twin 255s will support 600-650 on e85
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So twin 255s will support 600-650rwhp on e85 correct? What do you guys think it'll make, 351w F4TE rebuilt shortblock, FAC 190, fcam, gt40 lower/cartech upper, Turbonetics h.p t76 .96 a/r @14-15 psi on e85.
you'll be right in the 600 area with that...

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you'll be right in the 600 area with that...
I hope so. Theres a guy that has an identical setup as mine, he made 580 with a c4 on 91. Only difference is he has Vic jr heads and i have Trick Flow FAC190. Im also running a c4, lets see how my torque converter does.
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