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so, Buy the on3 kit or Run my S-Trim?

I have a S-Trim sitting on the shelf... but I REALLY can't decide if I should just go with the S-Trim or Purchase the on3 Turbo kit?

Can anyone tell me the cost of the on3 kit WITH the upgraded BB turbo?
And is there any other "upgrades" one would suggest?

How about fitment/install? I have read about the V-band clamps being a bit leaky.

Any input will be greatly appreciated!!!

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I just sold my S trim kit to buy the On3 kit. Haven't bought it yet though.

Have you ever run the S trim or been boosted at all ? If not, I'd say run it since you already have it. Plus, the S trim setup is pretty much bulletproof and can make great power.

On the other hand, there's something very tempting about going turbo. lol
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Take that s trim off and put a T or JT trim on it. You'll make plenty of power and the best part is that it's more reliable than a leaky on3 kit

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I just sold my S trim kit to buy the On3 kit. Haven't bought it yet though.

Have you ever run the S trim or been boosted at all ? If not, I'd say run it since you already have it. Plus, the S trim setup is pretty much bulletproof and can make great power.

On the other hand, there's something very tempting about going turbo. lol
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I was talking to you about your kit... found one local tho.

i have actually had both before.... never took the time to get the Cartech turbo setup i had tuned correctly so, just not sure what to do... i know it would be much easier to just throw the S-Trim on, as i have one in the garage...But, like you said.... something about the damn Turbo
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I decided to run n/a for a while. I was a finger click away from buying the On3 kit, but honestly, the horror stories scared me off .......for now.
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I have a S-Trim sitting on the shelf... but I REALLY can't decide if I should just go with the S-Trim or Purchase the on3 Turbo kit?

Can anyone tell me the cost of the on3 kit WITH the upgraded BB turbo?
And is there any other "upgrades" one would suggest?

How about fitment/install? I have read about the V-band clamps being a bit leaky.

Any input will be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks!
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S-trim and never look back.
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S trim or b&g turbo.

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I took my s-trim off and went with a on3 kit. I will never own another s/c. the boost from the turbo comes on so much harder and faster. The main complaint I have with the on3 kit is the leaking v-band connections. A few gaskets and new clamps and all my leaks are gone. I have about 8k miles on mine with the base model turbo, waste gate and bov. no problems at all from any of them. Also no cracked pipes or anything like that. As far as power goes. show me a stock 2v like mine with a s trim and the same ammount of boost and Ill show you a car I can more than likely outrun. I have heard that the push rod kit fits better than the modular kits. I have the newer mod kit with the forward facing headers. It fits pretty good. Also Ill say this before everyone bashes on3. I am not going to get into a "e-fight" with anyone about how you get what you pay for.


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Use the s trim for a boat anchor get the on 3 kit. get new v bands and all is good. I have one on both of my cars my 92 has the old style wg and a mpt70. my 88 has the new style wg and the house turbo. They both roll out, the 88 on 3 kit makes 12 psi and it replaced an s trim kit making 17, there is no comparison period. The driveability is night and day as well. Other than the turbos and wastegates, the only other difference in these cars is the cam. They are both a blast to drive it's rediculous. Find someone on here that's local to you and have them take you for a ride it will make your mind up for you.

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Well i see a lot of different opinions, as expected. So for the on3 kit the only change i need to make is the V bands and which gaskets? And how much money are we talking with these changes?

No, the car is NOT a daily driver. It is registered as a classic rod here in Nevada so i have to stay under 5k miles per year. So it will see the track and a few sat night's. out on the street.

Help me choose here fella's!!!!
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s-trim > on 3 garbage

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I asked this question a while back, and was told by many people that if I was gonna switch to turbo, to buy other than On3. If you're not gonna save up and get a better quality kit, just run your S-trim. My as well send it in for an Si upgrade if it's on the shelf while you're at it, those will make well over 500rwhp depending on your application if I'm not mistaken. Good luck...

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I asked this question a while back, and was told by many people that if I was gonna switch to turbo, to buy other than On3. If you're not gonna save up and get a better quality kit, just run your S-trim. My as well send it in for an Si upgrade if it's on the shelf while you're at it, those will make well over 500rwhp depending on your application if I'm not mistaken. Good luck...
I see you are running a Hellion kit. I looked at them but, Curious as to what makes them such better/higher quality kit? Other than the v bands. I mean you are talking $3,000+ more than the on3 kit.
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I just sold my V1 Vortech S-trim setup at 12lbs that I had on my 91 coupe. It's just a stock 302 with an explorer intake, 42lb inj/255lph pump/80mm MAF. It was a fun car, ran that setup for 2 years or so. Got bored with the power and just sold it a week ago.

I'm ordering an On3 kit. Can make more power without needing to buy heads/cam and a bigger intake. Can make more power with less boost(most likely), and the boost comes on so much faster. Not only that but I will see full boost before red line, won't happen with the Vortech.

I plan to run 10-12lbs with the turbo, oh ya.. and I'm still on stock head gaskets and bolts
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I'd go with the On3 kit. The minor issues with leaks you MAY have are offset with its inexpensive price and the leaks are easily remedied IF you have them.

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I see you are running a Hellion kit. I looked at them but, Curious as to what makes them such better/higher quality kit? Other than the v bands. I mean you are talking $3,000+ more than the on3 kit.
Just the quality and warranty of the piping, and also the fitment including the v bands. I know it's a lot more expensive, but I certainly didn't buy the kit new. I pieced it together over time...

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I decided to run n/a for a while. I was a finger click away from buying the On3 kit, but honestly, the horror stories scared me off .......for now.
Sorry to hear that....I love my on3 kit fits fine..performs awesome...I also did have a shop install and tune the car...Some of the horror stories you hear are people doing it thereselves...and shouldnt be working on cars period...I had a supercharger its nothing like a turbo...

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s-trim > on 3 garbage
On3 might be garbage..bet it would smoke his set-up now tho...

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Well i see a lot of different opinions, as expected. So for the on3 kit the only change i need to make is the V bands and which gaskets? And how much money are we talking with these changes?

No, the car is NOT a daily driver. It is registered as a classic rod here in Nevada so i have to stay under 5k miles per year. So it will see the track and a few sat night's. out on the street.

Help me choose here fella's!!!!
Look at my sig..I couldnt be happier!!!!! and my is a daily too...also has classic plates on it...But i still drive it everyday....

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I have had both, and turbos are just faster. It costs less to do an on3 kit NEW than it does to do an s-trim kit New. Also I dropped .7 tenths just by switching to a turbo. The good news is by the time my on3 kit fails I'll have saved enough money to buy a better kit and supporting mods to dive into the single digits, until then I enjoy what I have.

OP I won't tell you how to spend your money, but as it stands the on3 kit was the best mod I've made to my car yet. Dollar to hp wise you honestly cannot beat it.

I'm not a magazine racer, my car is actually fast.
I also have a Honda civic but, mine has a bigger, uglier driver.
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Thanks to everyone for all of the input! I think i am going to try the on3 kit!

Nasty92lx... Did you choose any upgrades with your kit? I think i am seeing people choose the ball bearing turbo as an upgrade? I may be wrong.

Thanks again!!
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Have you thought about possibly building your own turbo kit? Aside from the headers, its quite easy.

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Thanks to everyone for all of the input! I think i am going to try the on3 kit!

Nasty92lx... Did you choose any upgrades with your kit? I think i am seeing people choose the ball bearing turbo as an upgrade? I may be wrong.

Thanks again!!
I picked up my kit today, quite impressed.
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I picked up my kit today, quite impressed.
Wait to you drive it...lol i remember the 1st drive i took...WOW...I still havent hit full boost....No room on the local streets

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I just went from an on3 turbo on my 94 cobra to a v1. I loved the turbo but not all the headaches associated with my particular kit. I feel a lot of people have issues with the 94-95 and end up having custom one off kits by the time its said and done. I have close to 4 grand in my turbo set up. Not to mention all the additional gauges and so on. You may think its a cheap price but all the little parts that you really need to buy to have a reliable dependable turbo car add up extremely quick.

I must say though, the turbo hit very hard and I just had 3.08s. Hit boost so quick. I love this v1 cuz its maintenance free and I really dont have to worry about a thing, but its just not the same. I do need to swap out the 3.08s for some 3.55s or 3.73s though. Also, the v1 at idle is nasty sounding. People are always like what on earth is that!! haha

Also, with the turbo I missed that mustang sound. Sure when you were WOT the turbo sounded sick and not to mention the BOV grabs all kinds of attention but at part throttle the thing sounded like a chevy!!

I am honestly more of a street guy at this point in my life though. I feel like that should make a huge impact on your choice. Either way Good Luck!!

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I just went from an on3 turbo on my 94 cobra to a v1. I loved the turbo but not all the headaches associated with my particular kit. I feel a lot of people have issues with the 94-95 and end up having custom one off kits by the time its said and done. I have close to 4 grand in my turbo set up. Not to mention all the additional gauges and so on. You may think its a cheap price but all the little parts that you really need to buy to have a reliable dependable turbo car add up extremely quick.

I must say though, the turbo hit very hard and I just had 3.08s. Hit boost so quick. I love this v1 cuz its maintenance free and I really dont have to worry about a thing, but its just not the same. I do need to swap out the 3.08s for some 3.55s or 3.73s though. Also, the v1 at idle is nasty sounding. People are always like what on earth is that!! haha

Also, with the turbo I missed that mustang sound. Sure when you were WOT the turbo sounded sick and not to mention the BOV grabs all kinds of attention but at part throttle the thing sounded like a chevy!!

I am honestly more of a street guy at this point in my life though. I feel like that should make a huge impact on your choice. Either way Good Luck!!
I just sold a V1 S-trim, to buy the turbo kit lol. The vortech is a great blower, and I know I could have made more power then what I was. I just always wanted a turbo mustang since I was like 15, I'm 26 now lol. I didn't like the fact that with the blower, I didn't see my full 12lbs of boost until it was time to shift. I'm hoping to have a more usable power band with the turbo, I'm still on 2.73 gears too lol.

I'll try the turbo world out, and if I don't like it.. I can always pick up a used vortech kit later down the road. But I do expect to eventually have to upgrade the turbo, blow off valve, and wastegate. At least I'll have a base kit, all the piping/intercooler to work off of though. If I don't have any major issues for a year or so, and start really liking the turbo.. I'll take the headers off and have them ceramic coated. We'll see how it goes.. I'll make a build thread on here so everyone can see what I've been up to.
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I sold a v1 sc on my fox for an on3 and loved it made 65more rwhp on 2 less psi
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Sorry for taking so long to respond man i just had my third child on wed so its been pretty hectic here as of late. The only upgrade imade was to the mpt70 im actually running the factory v bands still and i havent had any issues with mine yet. I guess theres a lot of opinions regarding the kits some negative and some positive. Ive run my kif for a couple years now with no real drawbacks. I had an issue with crossover fitment but was able to remedy that ppretty easily. I figured i wanted a turbo cause ive had blowers and bottles already and i just really wasnt impressed with either of them. A friend of mine took me for a ride in his turbo car and i was blown away when i found out how much he paid to get it all done and it made me think twice. So i found a chea kit bought it with the intetion of learning and it turned out to be a pretty good thing. Earlier this year i had a problem with boost creep and i decided to fix it so i got a new gate and a buddy of mine changed the location of it to directly under the turbo at the merge and then routed it into the downpipe so now it doesnt sound like im running open heders when it opens. Sorry for the long post man i have limited time with a wife and three daughters now oh and the job.

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I also have a Honda civic but, mine has a bigger, uglier driver.
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