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PT8847 vs GT91 - T4 monsters









We installed it yesterday, it fits on my B&G kit with a couple of tweaks. The compressor outlet is 3.5 inches OD so we needed a new transition silicone to connect the cold side. The second is the cold side pipe itself. It barely made it with the PT8847 because my car originally had a PT78. We are cutting about 1 inch out of the long part that crosses the car so it will line up right with the massive compressor housing.


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Will it have back problems? The Exhaust is it 3 or 3 and a half inches? I have a 78mm on a 360ci and at 20psi i am having backpressure issues



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I had issues with my 78 on my 347 also. I over spun it and destroyed it.

The turbine wheels and housings on these turbos are way bigger then a 78.

I have a 3.5 inch down pipe.

The 91 should reduce back pressure vs the 8847 because it has a more efficient turbine wheel.

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Any comparison pics while in the car?

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Yeah, will post later today

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Congrats man. That is a heavy baby you've got there! Good luck.
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All done. Would have been at the track today but I am still sick. Next week.

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Man I saw your write up last month that was really awesome! Now you're getting an even bigger turbo? How is that monster gonna affect your tune? Don't you think at this point you should step up to a t-6 flange? I mean if you wanna do it with the t-4 that'll be wicked but I would think you could find even more power with the bigger hotside. Just thinking out loud. Looks killer though man can't wait to see what numbers you throw out with this combo!


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Man I saw your write up last month that was really awesome! Now you're getting an even bigger turbo? How is that monster gonna affect your tune? Don't you think at this point you should step up to a t-6 flange? I mean if you wanna do it with the t-4 that'll be wicked but I would think you could find even more power with the bigger hotside. Just thinking out loud. Looks killer though man can't wait to see what numbers you throw out with this combo!
Thanks, was great to be in the magazine.

I really don't want to re-engineer everything under the hood for a T6 based turbo. The setup works really well the way it is. With the 347 I don't think I have a major back pressure problem right now but haven't checked either.

The tune will likely need more fuel which we can adjust at the track using the wideband. I don't necessarily plan on going to the dyno. Should be a small incremental difference between the turbos.

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Drive the car around and tested it on the brake. While cruising it takes more throttle to get it into boost but once you are there it comes on fast and hard.

Bumping off the foot brake into transbrake it comes right into boost. Seems like it should be fine racing.

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What kind of power will it make?
Check that back pressure.
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What kind of power will it make?
Check that back pressure.
It made about 1000 rwhp with the 88. I am hoping with the 91 that I pick up some power. Normally 165 mph, best of 166.75.

Back pressure wasn't killing me with the 88, it should be equal or better with the 91 given that it has a more efficient turbine wheel in it.

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Interested in what a t-6 flanged unit would do


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T6 is over rated.
For my situation I agree.

The amount of work to get it to fit and be reliable for the street driving isn't what I want to get into. It would basically be an entire new turbo kit besides the intercooler and one cold side pipe.

With where I am now, banging up against the 8.50 limit, this was the logical step (or a GT50 w/ T4 conversion) and it took only buying and selling a turbo, getting one silicone and welding one pipe.

So, where is the upside with trying a t6 turbo?

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Looks good! - Saw your post on TTF too. Let us know what kind of improvement you see at the track...
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What size and how big of a stall?

Play on the street a lot?
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I have a powerglide and a converter from Lenny at UCC. It is somewhat loose to get the thing out of the hole at the track.

We cruise around on the street regularly when the weather is good. I live a couple miles from the beach, great place to cruise around during the summer.

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I meant track numbers I'm anxious to see what it'll lay down now at the the track. And I'm really kinda glad you're keeping it more street friendly with the t-4 flange turbo, I had no idea they made 'em that big for the mid frame flanges. And I'm also stoked to know you drive that car! Hate seeing so much time and effort in something to just sit. You should TOTALLY do drag week next year if you have the chance man! lots of street miles and 1000-2700 hp cars driving 1700 mile to 6 tracks in 5 days SICK! Look it up on youtube if you've never heard of it. The Grey Malibu is Jake he does amazing fab work here locally. Now post up some vids of the new setup!

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I meant track numbers I'm anxious to see what it'll lay down now at the the track. And I'm really kinda glad you're keeping it more street friendly with the t-4 flange turbo, I had no idea they made 'em that big for the mid frame flanges. And I'm also stoked to know you drive that car! Hate seeing so much time and effort in something to just sit. You should TOTALLY do drag week next year if you have the chance man! lots of street miles and 1000-2700 hp cars driving 1700 mile to 6 tracks in 5 days SICK! Look it up on youtube if you've never heard of it. The Grey Malibu is Jake he does amazing fab work here locally. Now post up some vids of the new setup!
I think we know enough to build a car that could handle the drag week but I did not do that with this setup. We built it to drive 30 miles and go like hell in the 1/4.

The major issue for me would be trans/converter/trans temp. I don't think it is the right setup to have a powerglide on a car that will be driven long distances on a setup like my car. You need to have a relatively loose converter to get the thing out of the hole with a 1.80 first gear which creates heat when driving it and makes it always be at a relatively high rpm. We have it "ok" now with two coolers both with fans but it still creeps over long periods of time.

Randy Seward has an AOD at pretty much the limit with his car and breaks it frequently. It drives great and stays cool but has had issues at the track.

A high end turbo 400 with a gear vendors overdrive and a milder converter due to the lower first gear may do the trick.

The other thing I'm missing is the ability to run off of pump or racefuel. Another act of genius on Randy's car. Again, can we do that? Sure. But the reality is, when I drive around it is with C16 right now.

So do I drive the car? Absolutely!

Do I realize there is a big difference between 30 miles in true street and hanging out around town vs. drag week or hot rod power tour? Also absolutely?

I guess while on this rant, I do struggle what to do with the car next. To go faster, you need a 25.5 cage, which I think at some level ruins a street car. I still have a full interior, stock seats, radio and it really isn't that bad to drive. A 25.5 cage changes all of that...

So, do you go do something completely different? Do you try to make that same 1000 hp + setup drive super well on the street?

I'm not quite sure, but the latter seems interesting to me because we have enjoyed the challenge of true street. It is a bit of brains before muscle in terms of what you do with the car. Those long distance street car events are a stretch on the same concept.

Done with rant...

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Great write up!!!

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I thought about getting a GT91 with a T-4 flange but I was afraid is was going to be too laggy with my setup, I think it's so cool to do this with a T-4, I can't wait to see the results.
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GT91 had the compressor nut come loose and compressor contacted compressor housing on 5th pass on the car.

It will arrive back at Forced Inductions tomorrow via fedex.

Not sure the root cause.

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It has arrived, will be apart tomorrow. Will post update.

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Just as I'm looking at upgrading to a 88, you go bigger Think the 88 is all I am going to need with my 8.50 cage.

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GT91 had a damaged thrust bearing. Being repaired as we speak.

Going to step up to a GT50, which will lead to yet another comparison on this thread.

GT91 is for sale in the power adder setup and will come with a 1 year warranty from Forced Inductions.

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Just read you magazine article as well. With the 363 being done for next year, i wanted to stay with the current B&G setup with the t4. How much work was done to fit the pt8847 with the B&G kit? I'll be sending it back to Brian soon for the upgrades. Right now its just a bolt on 302(well, was until it broke) with 70mm and astro a5 5 speed that went 10.66 at 130mph. Still up in the air on which turbo tho?? New setup should be done real soon, R block 363, trickflow 205's, R intake, electric wp, custom cam...looks kind of close to your setup? Also have all components on the bench to switch to a built 4R70 trans...UCC converter(non lockup), FB manual vb,etc. Debating on using it or going T56.


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Ask and you shall receive:

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It wasn't a lot of money to have Brian do the work, and he always checks everything else over...probably good maint to get the hotside back to him every 18-24 months if you are beating it.

GT91 bolts directly in place of where the PT8847 was, it uses the same exhaust housing and just has a much larger compressor cover.

PT8847's are very expensive, they are around $2k. Jose offers a couple of modified garrett units now that are much more reasonable (GT91 and GT50).

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Thanks. I'm really wanting to go garrett, seems a great company with great support....from what i've read on the bullet, can't say the same for PT.
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Thanks. I'm really wanting to go garrett, seems a great company with great support....from what i've read on the bullet, can't say the same for PT.
Just FYI, the turbos above are all garrett parts but with a precision T4 exhaust housing machined to fit the respective turbine wheels of each of them.

Garrett does not sell them in the configuration that Forced Inductions assembles.

I feel comfortable with my dealings with Jose at Forced Inductions so far, but will keep this thread updated. My experience with PTE was neutral at best.

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