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post #1 of 41 Old 08-07-2012, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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spray my car?

Hey guys I have a nos kit laying around would a 50shot hurt my car if installed?
Car dynoed at 366 hp and 443 torque at 9 pounds. Stock block also adding a ported explorer and a mandrel bent 3.5 inch downpipe (upgrading from a non mandrel 3 inch)

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you can but I will tell you from experience that it creates a TON of cylinder pressure when combining the two different power adders. I would stay away from it unless you're using it to get outta the hole then by all means do it but I would stay away from boost and bottle at the same time makes a really big boom.


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you can but I will tell you from experience that it creates a TON of cylinder pressure when combining the two different power adders. I would stay away from it unless you're using it to get outta the hole then by all means do it but I would stay away from boost and bottle at the same time makes a really big boom.
Hmmm Ill just sell the kit then. Do you think I get a decent gain from the ported intake and new downpipe?

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I think you would get a decent gain by upgrading to a MP70. You can get a used one cheap(I sold mine for 300shipped) and it should be bolton. I went 6.22 with mine on 16psi with a 3" downpipe.

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I would play with it. You could start with jets for 25hp or so. You will get basically a chemical inter cooler. Jetted for 25hp will yield a net gain of more due to cooling down the blower air charge. Just don't go wild.

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Trmustang. Want to keep this turbo I love the spool time. I might just go with a new hotside all together none of it is mandrel bent.

Pfirm. It's a draw through if I was to install it would I put the nozzle in the normal location New
Near the throttle?

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after maf so yay by throttle please let me know how it goes id like to do it too lol

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If I do do it should I run wet or dry? If I run wet will the boost effect the fuel part of my jetting?

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if running it dry ensure your injectors are adequate to support extra power.


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I have 42 pounders they should be good for close to 500 and I'm nowhere near that now

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Its a toss up wet or dry. Do you have tuning available?

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I do have tuning available. The kit I have has everything for the wet kit minus the nozzle I do have a spare dry nozzle laying around so I could easy make it a dry kit. What worries me about the wet is the boost adding that extra fuel and it missing up the jetting Idk if it will do that but when I think of it, that's sounds like it would happen

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Its only .001 difference on fuel jets running a 55hp(.035) nitrous jet at 40psi vs 50psi fuel pressure. Jet on the high side and tune it from there.

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So wet or dry? I could do both dry would be a cheaper route but I would Like the best route hmmmm.

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I would say wet but others may have a different opinion. I think you will need the fine tuning that wet offers on the fuel side. Plus you aren't taxing your injectors any harder.

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Thanks for the insight pf. Any other opinions before I do the install?

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I have run a blower and nitrous in the past without true tuning. It was a 90 model fox with factory short block, tw 170s, track heat intake, over spun power dyne(13 psi), and a 150 shot. Put 25,000 street miles on it and sold the engine running. It was a beast and only tuned with jets, timing, maf meter, fuel pressure. The power dyne did require frequently replaced belts.

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Going wet! Just ordered a nx shark with 40 hp jets not going with a Nos nozzle although its a Nos kit always like the shark. Also doing my 3.5 inch downpipe tomorrow should be a pretty good upgrade considering my current one is a non mandrel bent. 3inch

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Going wet! Just ordered a nx shark with 40 hp jets not going with a Nos nozzle although its a Nos kit always like the shark. Also doing my 3.5 inch downpipe tomorrow should be a pretty good upgrade considering my current one is a non mandrel bent. 3inch

Why don't you just turn up the boost????

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I do have tuning available. The kit I have has everything for the wet kit minus the nozzle I do have a spare dry nozzle laying around so I could easy make it a dry kit. What worries me about the wet is the boost adding that extra fuel and it missing up the jetting Idk if it will do that but when I think of it, that's sounds like it would happen
If you have a return style fuel system then the 1:1 regulater will up the pressure of the fuel with boost so @ 10lbs of boost you would be spraying around 50-55psi of fuel out of the fuel jet BUT it has to overcome the 10lbs of boost pressure before it will come out of the jet. So no matter what boost level/psi it gets up to the fuel will come out of the jet at the correct amount/volume as if it were a N/A engine.

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Mw95 I ran a buddy with a a 03 cobra I turned it up to 12 it felt good just scared that 12 will blow a headgasket I have arp bolts and p3333 felpros gt40p heads

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If you have a return style fuel system then the 1:1 regulater will up the pressure of the fuel with boost so @ 10lbs of boost you would be spraying around 50-55psi of fuel out of the fuel jet BUT it has to overcome the 10lbs of boost pressure before it will come out of the jet. So no matter what boost level/psi it gets up to the fuel will come out of the jet at the correct amount/volume as if it were a N/A engine.
Sounds good! I may run a 40 shot just in case I run into a fast clown

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Just remember that if you jet according to the charts and calculators you will add more . This is due to the cooling effect. Not a bad thing, just expect it and tune for it.

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Boost magnifies the effects of Nitrous, you could gain 75whp of a 50shot.

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Mw95 I ran a buddy with a a 03 cobra I turned it up to 12 it felt good just scared that 12 will blow a headgasket I have arp bolts and p3333 felpros gt40p heads
I have had mine up to 17psi and have flashed 21psi for a short sec when i was playing with the boost controller. Bad tune / lean and too much timing is what blows head gaskets. If you dont get your nos dialed in just right I can guarantee you'll blow a head gasket. I also have cometic MLS gaskets too.

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My buddy wants to buy my kit I may just buy a trick flow box intake and keep the boost at 12

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spray it! mine LOVES it! i went from 7.30's on 10# to 6.50's by adding a 100 wet kit! and i spray the whole pass, no bumping and letting out B.S.

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I'm on a stock block though. it like this 12 psi it ran a 8.7 at 88 MPH right of the bat at kennedale car was not cooled and old crappy street tires after I redo my hotside and get a intake I'm hoping for 90mph

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I'm on a stock block though. it like this 12 psi it ran a 8.7 at 88 MPH right of the bat at kennedale car was not cooled and old crappy street tires after I redo my hotside and get a intake I'm hoping for 90mph
90mph should be easy, with 285whp N/A back then on street tires I have trapped 90mph, about 86-87mph back then on slicks.

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im on a stock block too!

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I think the intake and downpipe changes will make a nice improvement. People sleep on that little turbo but remember I went 105 in the 1/8 with it. It's def not the turbo holding you back by any means.

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not to thread jack but if you were to put a 25 shot on a turbo car is there any rule of them of how much it will lean it out??? without tune. i know best possible would eb a tune but if some in runing 11.0 a/f would it take them to the desired 11.5/8 range

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Turbodcoupe you cra! I don't have the balls to spray that much!
Brian I love that Turbo it spools so quick even with that 81 housing.
Did my new downpipe today hope to get the intake tomorrow
I must say I'm pleased with the results

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not to thread jack but if you were to put a 25 shot on a turbo car is there any rule of them of how much it will lean it out??? without tune. i know best possible would eb a tune but if some in runing 11.0 a/f would it take them to the desired 11.5/8 range
i wouldnt put spray on a car as a tuning agent to get to the target A/F... make it right first... then add what you want. i was DANGEROUSLY lean my last time out, i was feeding the motor AND the nitrous system with the stock fuel lines when i checked (after a few runs) it was off the chart lean (literally)! so i added a sumped tank and ran a seperate fuel pump just for the juice, im hoping next time to the track i will have the fuel there to make the power i could have and get the ET's down a little.

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