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Hey guys, just wondering how you like your five speed cars with a turbo? I had a C4 in my car, and now I went to a tko 500. I know I'm not gonna get better 1/4 mile times but looking for more of a fun street car that makes good power! Any input is appreciated...Thanks!

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I'm currently swapping to an auto in mine but so far witha T56, I'm really enjoying especially at low load shifting when you can hear the turbo spool and the BOV flutter....


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Manual Auto all the way. Load that turbo!

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If Im Not mistaken an AUTO is the way to go with a turbo....with a stick you loose boost between shifts...

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Auto will be faster at the track easily.
But a manual turbo car is fun for street driving

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Manual will always have the fun factor

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I could not bring myself to do the auto swap either. Just recently sold the stock T5 and picked up a TKO600. I have a used custom clutch from clutch dynamics from the old T5 setup that I can sell if interested. It was pretty bad azz and clutch pedal was lighter than stock!

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my choice:

mostly street car -> manual
mostly track car -> auto
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Once you start making big HP it becomes very difficult to time your shifts right. I am still a manual and it's nearly impossible to hit it right. Fun factor though .... soooooo much fun!

*Plus it's fun to let-off and also blow the BOV as you pass that SRT-4!


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Once you start making big HP it becomes very difficult to time your shifts right. I am still a manual and it's nearly impossible to hit it right. Fun factor though .... soooooo much fun!

*Plus it's fun to let-off and also blow the BOV as you pass that SRT-4!
The auto's also help the car hook and keep traction. A big stall and a trans brake is a lot of fun too.
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I love having a 5-speed in mine. I have the two step set at 5k and it less then a second I'm able to build almost 20lbs. Rather then sidestep the clutch I let it out in a fairly quick but even rate. The car tends to raise the front end to full flex and squats the rear all the way. The 60' times are usually in the mid 1.4x's. After that it comes down to lifting to shift vs powershifting. (i'm a lift to shift driver)

I have also found that aggressive timing at or close to where the rpms drop after the shift really help with getting the car to spool back up if I took to long to get it done.

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If Im Not mistaken an AUTO is the way to go with a turbo....with a stick you loose boost between shifts...


Not with a wot box and no lift shift, makes wot shifting smooth as butter, I highly reccommned one for anyone with a turbo and manual trans.

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Not with a wot box and no lift shift, makes wot shifting smooth as butter, I highly reccommned one for anyone with a turbo and manual trans.
Your getting fancy on me...Not alot of people run that stuff...I will race any turbo stick car like mine on the street...Im pretty sure ill beat it...An auto is Plant right foot go....hang on....thats how i see it....Ive been in turbo stick cars on the street and well all they do is spin or have to build boost between shifts...Not mine i hit 14 psi and gone and holds between shifts....I dont loose boost....Not saying what you listed doesnt work but to me alot more to go wrong...or to dial in...An auto is to me simple....I could be worng tho....lol

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Theres plenty to go wrong in a slush box haha, the manual is the simpler trans but more complex for the driver, the auto is the opposite.
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Theres plenty to go wrong in a slush box haha, the manual is the simpler trans but more complex for the driver, the auto is the opposite.
Really ? I see more guys saying oh my clutch is slipping..my trans is broke...etc etc etc...My AOD is built To me its not a slush box...lol.. and some guys use C4's or Powerglides...Maybe its me but i will always stay AUTO......Yes for fun factor a stick will bemore fun butdown to the serious part of Why you build a turbo mustang is to go Fast,,,And i think the auto is going to win that hands down everytime..IMO...An auto is like a fully automatic gun Point and shoot....lol

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Your getting fancy on me...Not alot of people run that stuff...I will race any turbo stick car like mine on the street...Im pretty sure ill beat it...An auto is Plant right foot go....hang on....thats how i see it....Ive been in turbo stick cars on the street and well all they do is spin or have to build boost between shifts...Not mine i hit 14 psi and gone and holds between shifts....I dont loose boost....Not saying what you listed doesnt work but to me alot more to go wrong...or to dial in...An auto is to me simple....I could be worng tho....lol
Manual transmissions only lose boost between shifts if the shifts are slow. Mine stays in boost as long as the shifts are quick. Although my last transmission was not a fan of those types of shifts.

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I have both a Auto(C4) turboed 4V 03 Cobra and a 5-speed turboed 4V 01 GT you can guess which one is the race car and which one is the street driver. Both are street cars though.
Auto w/transbrake will kill and stick out there.
The stick is just fun to play around with on the street.
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I have both a Auto(C4) turboed 4V 03 Cobra and a 5-speed turboed 4V 01 GT you can guess which one is the race car and which one is the street driver. Both are street cars though.
Auto w/transbrake will kill and stick out there.
The stick is just fun to play around with on the street.
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Thanks thats what im saying AUTO for the win......Sticks are fun your not beating an Auto IMO....Auto turbo car is just plain wicked.....lol

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My buddy Jason's 05 GT with powerhouse turbo at 9psi. 3650 trans and the wotbox 2step and no lift shift. He smokes auto's with more power. The only reason an auto in general is usualy faster all else equal is just driver skill. Auto of course requires none lol. It's a solid bracket car to top it off.


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When you make real power a manual valve body auto is just as fun and much safer for the car and yourself!
Idc who says they can shift fast u will not be able to load the turbo as much with a manual fact and point.

Half the people that say stick stick stick are those guys that don't have over 700 to the wheels ( with a PROPER set up, that spoils quick and make power all over)

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C-mon guys the reason AOD92 made this thread was to gather information and share experience with those of us who run manual. If you want another auto/stick debate then create a new thread, don't hijack his.

AOD92 just go out and have fun. Practice practice practice and figure out what works best for you. You gonna have a blast and feel a huge sense of accomplishment when you reach whatever you set you goal at.

I see your midwest, where do you race at?

Are you going to the NMRA race in Beech Bend?

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C-mon guys the reason AOD92 made this thread was to gather information and share experience with those of us who run manual. If you want another auto/stick debate then create a new thread, don't hijack his.

AOD92 just go out and have fun. Practice practice practice and figure out what works best for you. You gonna have a blast and feel a huge sense of accomplishment when you reach whatever you set you goal at.

I see your midwest, where do you race at?

Are you going to the NMRA race in Beech Bend?
Thanks for the info guys....I'm just outside of Joliet Il. in Plainfield. I was at the nmra here at RT66 just a few weeks ago. Not gonna make that one.
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Turbo and a t5 here on rebuild #3 currentlt but it shifts so smooth and i can find every gear everytime. My boost falls off a touch but when you can keep the tires spinning through fourth its a blast. I wouldnt personally put an auto in anything i own until i had a badass auto and didnt drive it much but if my car was more race oriented it would already have one. I love my manual i think youll love it.

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I have a full manual c4 and see it as best of both worlds, It's fun as hell on street shifting gears and your not gonna have a chance to miss a gear like in a clutch car.
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does the aod shuffle count as banging gears? lol
some stick-turbo cars that are nasty
the second car in this video is just sick. Made @1100hp but is nowhere close to the ET it is capable of.
and the shelby bull with a second gear wheelie
Both would be faster with an auto but I doubt as much fun.
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Let's see some more turbo stick in car vids. Especially your cars. How are your t5s holding up? If they are breaking what is it 3rd I go. Street=stick MOSTLY track =mvb auto Yes the fast track cars are auto. But a single digit turbo stang is the baddest ish. Some people just aren't the baddest ya know, it takes a good trans and a gear jamming madman
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Let's see some more turbo stick in car vids. Especially your cars. How are your t5s holding up? If they are breaking what is it 3rd I go.
My FMS T5Z lasted about 1K miles @ 510 wheel before it broke 3rd. It currently has a stock T5 in it now that I'm being nice to until I can afford a TKO-600.

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Let's see some more turbo stick in car vids. Especially your cars. How are your t5s holding up? If they are breaking what is it 3rd I go. Street=stick MOSTLY track =mvb auto Yes the fast track cars are auto. But a single digit turbo stang is the baddest ish. Some people just aren't the baddest ya know, it takes a good trans and a gear jamming madman
a T5 doesnt have a chance. Almost all the fast manual cars run a faceplated trans

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My buddy Jason's 05 GT with powerhouse turbo at 9psi. 3650 trans and the wotbox 2step and no lift shift. He smokes auto's with more power. The only reason an auto in general is usualy faster all else equal is just driver skill. Auto of course requires none lol. It's a solid bracket car to top it off.

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T-5s live just fine you just have to use the clutch when you shift and make sure you have a clutch disc with a sprung hub not a solid one and dont use a puck style clutch no matter what you do. Mine broke because my foot slipped as i was pushing it into third and well it shattered. Im getting an a5 built before summer is over and it will be faceplated and then it will never break well not with what im gonna use it for.

I'm not a magazine racer, my car is actually fast.
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T-5s live just fine you just have to use the clutch when you shift and make sure you have a clutch disc with a sprung hub not a solid one and dont use a puck style clutch no matter what you do. Mine broke because my foot slipped as i was pushing it into third and well it shattered. Im getting an a5 built before summer is over and it will be faceplated and then it will never break well not with what im gonna use it for.
Iím sorry, but this simply isnít true. The only clutch that is going to help a T-5 live with elevated horsepower levels is a bad clutch (read slippage). The issue the T-5 has isnít with the clutch, itís with the transmissions design. Most seem to let go during longer stretches in 3rd gear. Mine let go not during the shift, but just a getting into boost on a 3rd gear roll. The best advice given to the owner of a turbo 5.0 owner with a t-5 is to sell the tranny while itís still in one piece (it will be worth more).

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My buddy Jason's 05 GT with powerhouse turbo at 9psi. 3650 trans and the wotbox 2step and no lift shift. He smokes auto's with more power. The only reason an auto in general is usualy faster all else equal is just driver skill. Auto of course requires none lol. It's a solid bracket car to top it off.

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There are many reasons autoís are generally faster, and almost none of it is driver skill.

No matter how fast you can shift, you wonít match the ability of an auto. The ability to build more boost off the line, and maintain it throughout the run is enormous. Yes, you can 2-step a manual, but you can do the same with an auto AND you can build boost off the brake as well (if you have a transbrake, even better). Itís far easier (both to do, and on the drivetrain) to launch an auto hard.

FYI, your buddy would likely be running mid 10ís with his combo and a properly setup auto. You can see the nose dive every time he shifts, as well as his head jerk back. Thatís not to say heís a bad driver, itís just and inevitable byproduct of having to fully release the engine from the transmission to shift. If heís ďsmokingĒ autos with more power, they are most certainly not properly setup.

I myself have had both, and the auto far and away was quicker (even it was not properly equipped, as I was running a cheap converter). I consider myself a damn good driver (I ran my stock 89 notch to sub 14ís on stock tires), and there is simply no denying the advantage an auto tranny has over a manual when combined with a turbo.

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Hey Millhouse..My AOD must be one good set-up Trans i took my 87 gt Vert that was still speed density.stock long block with some bolt ons...shorty headers,off road H-pipe,flowmaster cat back.70mm TB.on street tires ran a 2.0 60ft i went a best of [email protected] mph...in a car that weighed close to 3650 lbs with me in it....That trans does have a mild stall seems to be built well nice shift kit..thats whats backing up whats in it now...Oh i agree 100% An AUTO is way better...my car is liked a loaded gun point a shoot...LOL...and its gone....

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