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"ZERO turbo lag"
"Includes 76mm Turbonetics"

Dyno sheet? lol

I find it extremely hard to believe there is ZERO turbo lag with a 76mm turbo on a 4.6....hell, ive got some lag on my 4.6 with a 67mm turbo.

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There is the dyno sheet, But we have more, with more boost if you would like to see them.

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Perhaps you have the wrong AR housing. Not sure why your turbo won't spool faster. These graphs show we have full boost by 2600 rpm




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Do you have a graph that shows boost vs rpm?
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"ZERO turbo lag"
"Includes 76mm Turbonetics"

Dyno sheet? lol

I find it extremely hard to believe there is ZERO turbo lag with a 76mm turbo on a 4.6....hell, ive got some lag on my 4.6 with a 67mm turbo.


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We are just here to help. If inquiring minds want to know and we can help - that is what we want to do.

Here is our 3v turbo kit installed on a Granatelli #770048 Extreme Series long block. This car has an auto trans so I could not pull it below 3000. You can see at 3000 when we start capturing data the turbo already has 8psi - hence no lag

Needless to say we give you the good stuff. More importantly we truely understand how to size a turbo to work. Historically the Granatelli Turbo kits cost more than others because we never scimp.


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Well did you make your own kit or did you buy it from a company?
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Good example of you get what you pay for.

Chinese turbos vs a quality turbo.
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WOW! 575HP with 39lb injectors?! That's a beautiful setup Granatelli. Thanks for all the charts and data. Love it!

Flashman, you literally contribute NOTHING to every thread you post it. Will you just drop it already?

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WOW! 575HP with 39lb injectors?! That's a beautiful setup Granatelli. Thanks for all the charts and data. Love it!

Flashman, you literally contribute NOTHING to every thread you post it. Will you just drop it already?
The 575hp on 39lb injectors is set for kill. I am sure you would agree a bigger injector would have made it a ton easier and safer. A 39lb inj at 80 psi will support 754hp (crank) at a .55 BSFC but again not the best scenario
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Good example of you get what you pay for.

Chinese turbos vs a quality turbo.
I have a comp turbo retard.

He made 12 psi at 4500. I make 12 psi at 3500 fyi.

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^^^^You called him out....and he proved it! LOL^^^^^^
What? He didn't prove anything at that point

He just showed his boost, shows him making full boost at like 5k....lol

I'm still doubtful there is no lag.

My 67 basically makes boost at 2k but it still feels laggy then again I'm used to having a blower and a 4k stall so maybe that's why I consider it lag

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JR, you posted a pic of a dyno graph from a Ford GT, sir.

As for this kit, we had a kit VERY similar to this on our 3V GT. It was a little laggy, but it was also a stick car. It made 480rwhp with the 10lb spring in the WG.

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JR, you posted a pic of a dyno graph from a Ford GT, sir.

As for this kit, we had a kit VERY similar to this on our 3V GT. It was a little laggy, but it was also a stick car. It made 480rwhp with the 10lb spring in the WG.
Fernandos car was a 2006 Mustang GT - We did not change the notes on the dyno "note section". That is merely a typo - I put up a ton of info all on 3v turbo kit with 76mm turbo.
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I have a comp turbo retard.

He made 12 psi at 4500. I make 12 psi at 3500 fyi.
In truth you do seem like you want to nit-pick. I am not saying I have full boost at 2k. The best info to study is the Saleen v. the turbo. The blower takes so much HP to drive it there ends up being virtually no benefit to what they call instant boost.

If the car above was a manual and I really wanted to make the turbo look bad I could put it in 4th and go WOT at 1500. It would show what you are calling lag. But in the real world no one drives a car that way. If they want extra power the simply down shift. a 3v motor has no balls below 3500 anyway. The blower or turbo is somewhat limited by the camshaft in the car as well.

Letís say it like this Turbonetics told everyone there 62mm kit had more guts down low then our 76mm kit. They claimed they knew this because they sold us the turbos and therefore had unlimited knowledge of "the trim" specs of our turbos. So we lined them up. That was the last day that ever said a thing You want more boost turn it up.

For those that don't understand how a turbo works. I would rather have 8lbs of boost from a 76mm turbo than 10lbs from a 67mm. The larger turbo move more air and is way more efficient on the 3v more.

Again no one races 20 to 120 in 4th gear only
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Maybe your turbo kit wont get the rep that the rest of your products have on here.
Amen to that I see you run Aeromotive products that was a Granatelli formed company as well.
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Cool! I also have your weight jacker control arms. You know the ones that everyone says will break if you hit the slightest bump. Lol. They have been on my street car for 3 years. Before that they were on my friends 9 second drag car for a few years.
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In truth you do seem like you want to nit-pick. I am not saying I have full boost at 2k. The best info to study is the Saleen v. the turbo. The blower takes so much HP to drive it there ends up being virtually no benefit to what they call instant boost.

If the car above was a manual and I really wanted to make the turbo look bad I could put it in 4th and go WOT at 1500. It would show what you are calling lag. But in the real world no one drives a car that way. If they want extra power the simply down shift. a 3v motor has no balls below 3500 anyway. The blower or turbo is somewhat limited by the camshaft in the car as well.

Let’s say it like this Turbonetics told everyone there 62mm kit had more guts down low then our 76mm kit. They claimed they knew this because they sold us the turbos and therefore had unlimited knowledge of "the trim" specs of our turbos. So we lined them up. That was the last day that ever said a thing You want more boost turn it up.

For those that don't understand how a turbo works. I would rather have 8lbs of boost from a 76mm turbo than 10lbs from a 67mm. The larger turbo move more air and is way more efficient on the 3v more.

Again no one races 20 to 120 in 4th gear only
Nit pick? I asked for a dyno sheet, more importantly a boost relative to rpm graph to support you no lag claim.

A turbo does not make boost relative to RPM so it is very possible that when you down shift to 3500 rpms there is a small amount of lag before it makes boost but I understand your point.

As far as your last comment regarding understanding how a turbo works, well I am no turbo expert but judging by that statement you dont know how turbos work yourself.

You couldnt be more wrong about your statement saying a 76 on 8 psi will make more power than a 67 on 10 psi. I doubt the 76mm would be in its efficiency range with such a low boost figure on a stock 4.6 3v.

If you had a bigger motor that was pushing the 67 out of its efficiency range its a possibility but take a look at this.

5.0 mustang magazine actually did a test with a stock 4.6 3v with a 67mm on 14 psi and a 76mm on 14 psi.

Guess what, the 67mm actually made MORE hp EVERYWHERE, and that was even on 14 psi which is a pretty decent amount of boost.

"Example number two is a 4.6L Three-Valve mod motor equipped with a single turbo kit (again from HP Performance). In this test, the '05 mod motor was first run with a single 67mm T4 turbo. Running just under 14 psi, the motor produced 570 hp at the wheels.
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The 67mm turbo was then swapped out for a larger 76mm unit. Despite the fact that the larger 76mm turbo was capable of supporting over 800 rwhp, the motor produced better power with the smaller 67mm turbo. As expected, the smaller 67mm turbo was considerably more responsive than the larger 76mm turbo, offering full boost 400 rpm sooner. This increase in boost pressure earlier in the rev range equates to some serious torque gains. What wasn't expected (which is why it's so important to actually test) was for the 4.6L to produce more peak power with the smaller (67mm) turbo. Running the same boost, the motor produced an additional 10-15 hp. Both of these tests (and so many others) illustrate the importance of turbo sizing."

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You can call it nit picking but im just saying there is way more to picking a turbo than just,"oh a bigger turbo will move more air and make more power" because that is just wrong."

Judging by that article unless you plan on running 15 psi+, bigger cubes, or a setup that flows a good bit more air, a 67mm turbo seems like a better choice on a 4.6 3v based on that article at least.

Sure the 76mm will still run great, but that doesnt mean its optimal.

Just one mans opinion of course.

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WOW! 575HP with 39lb injectors?! That's a beautiful setup Granatelli. Thanks for all the charts and data. Love it!

Flashman, you literally contribute NOTHING to every thread you post it. Will you just drop it already?
Nice contribution!!!!

This might help........WOW! 575HP with 39lb injectors?! That's a beautiful setup Granatelli. Thanks for all the charts and data. Love it!

Now am I on your level?

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What companies REP am i ruining? Please enlighten me. i mentioned no names anywhere,but I guess you're a mind reader huh.
You actually went out of your way to stalk me out and try to come at me about a "Chinese" turbo cause you know I'm running an on3 kit and you do pop up with annoying comments when anyone mentions something you dislike, particularly on3 and Xbox I guess.

I'm not sticking up for on3. You get what you pay for but the piping seems fine so far other than the need for better clamps but for the price difference I can deal with 60 bucks in clamps.

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Most of us have had our turbo kits for some time now and have done a little research on what cams, exhaust, injectors, etc to run. Some people who have just come to the turbo side will ask questions about what to expect from a turbo kit. We give them answers, help them out a little or point them in the right direction, but unfortunately guys like justin feel as though he knows it all. Bringing his blower theories over here, challenging peoples credibilty with boderline insults to those who try to help one another or just putting info out about their builds. I will not post in your threads justin even when i KNOW i can help, because if the answer is not to your liking all you will continue to do is what you already do

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Most of us have had our turbo kits for some time now and have done a little research on what cams, exhaust, injectors, etc to run. Some people who have just come to the turbo side will ask questions about what to expect from a turbo kit. We give them answers, help them out a little or point them in the right direction, but unfortunately guys like justin feel as though he knows it all. Bringing his blower theories over here, challenging peoples credibilty with boderline insults to those who try to help one another or just putting info out about their builds. I will not post in your threads justin even when i KNOW i can help, because if the answer is not to your liking all you will continue to do is what you already do

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well I am no turbo expert
First of all, I do not claim to know it all by a long shot, I am new to the world of turbos.

So because you have had your turbo kit for a long time that means you know it all?

Is that how it works?

I do not claim to know it all at all, however when I do say something, I pretty much always have some facts to back it up.

You got all butt hurt because I mentioned running a mac flow path muffler because a blower guy was making 40-50 rwhp more with it over a straight through magnaflow.

I understand that turbo and blower cars are different but engines are not....engines will make more power the faster it can get air in and out so if that muffler was flowing enough exhaust to pick up power on a blower setup, I strongly doubt that it would lose power on a turbo setup, especially a mild one like mine.

However I will let you know that I did go with your advice and go with a hooker maxflow, straight through muffler.

When did I ever challenge anyone's credibility or insult anyone?

I asked for some information which he posted very promptly to show his kit was effective although I believe my 67 still spooled a good bit faster which is to be expected, his kit mad amazing power and looks top notch.

He claimed that a 76mm turbo on 8 psi would be better than a 67mm on 10 psi which I dont agree with and apparantly is not true, at least according to the test 5.0 magazine did.

Before I read that article I would have though the 76mm would make more power than a 67mm up top but then I did some more research and learned about compressor maps and realized that is not always the case.

Im not here to step on anyones toes or hurt anyones feelings but this is a free country and if you cant handle someone having a different opinion than you, you probably shouldn't be here

As far as you not posting in my threads, Im sorry to hear that, I dont mean to be an ass, I know I come off like one sometimes but that is not my intention.

Everyone seems to have a different opinion on something so I like to hear peoples opinions and throw other things that I have read/heard into the mix, It doesnt mean I dont believe you or value your opinion.

Like I said, I did end up with a straight through muffler like you recommended.

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