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On3 67mm ball bearing upgrade

Anybody running this turbo? I'm in the process of putting one on my notch but have yet to hear any reviews on this thing. Post hp/tq and et/mph if you have any experience with the 67mm

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i have it 331 afr 185 heads dont have any hp number for you but the car did a best of 11.3 at 125 ####ty 60ft and i have only made this one real pass on the new setup its spools very fast almost to fast i know i makeing a bunch of torque down low.


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the ball bearing turbos are nice.... and i have not had a issue with one yet...


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i have it 331 afr 185 heads dont have any hp number for you but the car did a best of 11.3 at 125 ####ty 60ft and i have only made this one real pass on the new setup its spools very fast almost to fast i know i makeing a bunch of torque down low.
What RPM does it start to spool at? What RPM do you see full boost at? And how much boost are you running?

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the ball bearing turbos are nice.... and i have not had a issue with one yet...


same company that makes them, made master powers too
You have any evidence to back that up?

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What RPM does it start to spool at? What RPM do you see full boost at? And how much boost are you running?
Im also interested in this. As well as who actually makes them. Gonna be running a box upper in attempt to kill if some tq and keep the block in one piece

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Gonna be running a box upper in attempt to kill if some tq and keep the block in one piece

I know that you Goon! Your car is in my garage.

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Ive been running this turbo on my dd for over a year.
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^ are you running an oil restrictor?

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^ are you running an oil restrictor?
yes, you have too. on3 sells them aswell


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sorry for the delay im running 14 psi! spools very fast. i think im hitting full boost by 25-3000rpm at the most

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You have any evidence to back that up?
I'm gonna say no.

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Mines has oil running through it like all turbos do lol but It also has water passages really helped a lot with keeping things cooler

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Didn't realize the 67 had water cooling capibilities! Can u post a pic?

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No problem will post a pic in the am

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i have it 331 afr 185 heads dont have any hp number for you but the car did a best of 11.3 at 125 ####ty 60ft and i have only made this one real pass on the new setup its spools very fast almost to fast i know i makeing a bunch of torque down low.
Do you think the quick spooling is more likely because you have a larger 331CI motor and its pushing a lot more air than a 281CI or a 302CI and not so much the turbo? (your car should spool a 67mm turbo a lot quicker than a 4.6-5.0L)

Thats cool the ON3 Turbo has water passages, i did not know that.

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Do you think the quick spooling is more likely because you have a larger 331CI motor and its pushing a lot more air than a 281CI or a 302CI and not so much the turbo? (your car should spool a 67mm turbo a lot quicker than a 4.6-5.0L)

Thats cool the ON3 Turbo has water passages, i did not know that.
honestly idk but either you get a 67 ball bearing or a 70 journal bearing turbo i think in the end the 67 is a better choice! ball bearing should spool faster then the journal anyway! also i only have heat wrap on down pipe and my under hood temps went down in half it felt like after we hooked up the water ways!



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I would like to see a dyno graph with both but since we probably not get that id settle for a video or two...

I'm not a magazine racer, my car is actually fast.
I also have a Honda civic but, mine has a bigger, uglier driver.
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honestly idk but either you get a 67 ball bearing or a 70 journal bearing turbo i think in the end the 67 is a better choice! ball bearing should spool faster then the journal anyway! also i only have heat wrap on down pipe and my under hood temps went down in half it felt like after we hooked up the water ways!


How did you route your water connection from the turbo?
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Do you think the quick spooling is more likely because you have a larger 331CI motor and its pushing a lot more air than a 281CI or a 302CI and not so much the turbo? (your car should spool a 67mm turbo a lot quicker than a 4.6-5.0L)

Thats cool the ON3 Turbo has water passages, i did not know that.
honestly with the journal bearing i see them both spool up about the same on the dyno on the 5.0 and 4.6 cars.. and the mod motor was a ####ty first gen kit. cant wait to see what it does with a 5.4 and the forwarding facing stuff

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I'm gonna say no.



you guys are going to believe what ever you want too... so why argu with it?


its pointless. i know i know what i know...... you believe what ever you want, even if i showed you the shipping tag coming from the same country

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the water is ran just like you heater hoses!

feed line is on intake return goes to water pump

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the water is ran just like you heater hoses!

feed line is on intake return goes to water pump
Thanks for the info!
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That's pretty cool. I have a turbo blanket and wrap for the dp so hopefully the heat will stay under control. Hoping to have this thing done soon.been out of town for a week and I'm dying to get back to work on it. Will be my first forced induction car.

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So... can anyone actually confirm who makes the On3 BB turbo? I want to order the 2nd gen kit after tax season (and after I get my T45 built) and I'm in the research phase I guess... I've never really heard of any problems with the MP70 and definitely not the Turbonetics units but if the On3 is something like a "by Turbonetics" unit I'd be down.

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Well my car is close to running. Had to fly to the other side of the country for a week but im back working on it and should be making noise this week. Pretty happy with the on3 kit so far, only complaint is that i cant fit a short oil filter on it like mysticsct's car so i had to order a ford racing elbow. (I bought an on3 relocation setup but didnt really like it) any bets on what it will make on the 14 psi spring? :-)

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I know a local guy that runs one, he made good power with it.

Stock 4.6 2v, made 450 rwhp and 500 tq on like 9 psi.

As far as spool time, it didnt appear to spool any faster than my journal bearing billet wheel 67mm from Comp.

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well finally got some bugs sorted out so that we could start tuning on the megasquirt. Still needs alot of tuning but I'm in love with this turbo! spools stupid fast compared to my friend's precision 70mm journal bearing. Best part is shutting the car down and seeing it continue to spin for a solid 30-40 seconds afterward. Expect dyno numbers before november

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@Justin,that would be me and yes I did, and I now have prolly 5,000 miles on it with no problems. I have the cooling connected and am running I believe 20 psi oil pressure after the restrictor. I am running an Ebay manual boost controller at 7 psi now.I have a MMR900 block,stage 2 heads waiting to go in and now I am wondering now how much HP this 67mm can produce.
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I have a question if my On3 70mm .68A/R turbo goes can i get one of these ball bearing type turbo if so would it bolt right up to what i have now any modifications needed?

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I have a question if my On3 70mm .68A/R turbo goes can i get one of these ball bearing type turbo if so would it bolt right up to what i have now any modifications needed?
It will bolt right up. You'd probably have to have it retuned, however.

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It will bolt right up. You'd probably have to have it retuned, however.
Ok why tho more power?...not a problem to get it re-tuned just wondering...

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Ok why tho more power?...not a problem to get it re-tuned just wondering...
It will most likely start making boost earlier in the powerband than your current setup. So you'll be lean in those areas with the new turbo and your current tune. For example, Cammed 2V GT and I have similar combos. So we used the map from my car in his just as a starting point. And while it will run and drive. His boost comes on much harder and faster than mine does. So his car goes lean, quick, with my mapping in it.

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Ok i gotcha now so i can bolt the turbo up and drive it easy to the tuner,i would be safe that way?

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Ok i gotcha now so i can bolt the turbo up and drive it easy to the tuner,i would be safe that way?
You have a wideband/AFR gauge in the car?

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