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I know you get what you pay for but...

In the end are there any low priced turbo kits that are worth using? i know On3 customer service sucks and the issues people have with them...but aside from building your own kit frrom stuff you piece together...is there a decent turbo kit for the prices on3 and pony down sell them for? Just wondering before i take my na/poss.nitrous project to a low compression/turbo route.


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B&G sells a cheaper kit now that is imported...it's on a long wait but around $1900 for the kit...but they have a better parts like the turbo and WG/BOV are better quality


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Chino..thanks dude i kept trying to remember B&G...i knew there was another company out there but working in a strip club rots yer brain lol.

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B&G sells a cheaper kit now that is imported...it's on a long wait but around $1900 for the kit...but they have a better parts like the turbo and WG/BOV are better quality
Elaborate for me on how the build quality is better than what I have to offer with some valid facts that you are basing your claim from?
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B&G sells a cheaper kit now that is imported...it's on a long wait but around $1900 for the kit...but they have a better parts like the turbo and WG/BOV are better quality
I saw that PAS had a thread for the on3 kits for sale with better wastegates and BOV's but has since been deleted. I wonder what happened with that. Would have been a nice option.
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Elaborate for me on how the build quality is better than what I have to offer with some valid facts that you are basing your claim from?

Read the statement again...

the Wastegate / BOv and Comp turbos (standard) are better than what come on your kit.

or are you trying to say ANY of your branded turbos are better than Comp turbos....cause sorry to say...nope..they are not...

and I can attest to the Wastegate and BOv being cheaper units...since I USED TO OWN YOUR "brand" and have since switched to Turbo Smart items...

don't worry..my headers and intake tubing is On3...the rest of my "kit" has now been switched to DIY...although Im did have to have the passenger side header welded two times when it cracked...

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One would think that chris from poweradder saw that there is a problem trying to sale there kit the way it comes and made the smart move to upgrade the weakest links..just a thought.

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Chino..thanks dude i kept trying to remember B&G...i knew there was another company out there but working in a strip club rots yer brain lol.
Pretty funny....stripper brain rot...

Brian's support is top notch and even his imported stuff is backed by his fabrication shop in the event that you need warranty work done.

B&G is one of a handful of vendors that have given me top notch support over the past 3 years of really being hard in the car. Well worth the money in my opinion.

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The "imported" kit u get from B&G is the same bullshiz thats on ebay, BUT he gives a 1 year warranty. When B&G sells the bullshiz china pipes its called "imported", but when On3 does, it is called china crap. You nut swingin puzzies...bullshiz is bullshiz don't candy coat it.

If u want cheap, reliable and good quality build ur own.


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if u gona ebay it u can buy a used hotside and cold sides here all the time for way cheap and fix the pinholes cracks fex couplers and add better turbo w/g blow off
if u happen to lose any part of your on3 kit they dont have any parts to replace it which would mean the warranty would be just as hard to get so buy it used up and fix what a 3year old in china couldnt do right

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Elaborate for me on how the build quality is better than what I have to offer with some valid facts that you are basing your claim from?


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Read the statement again...


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I can base my claims from experience.
That's gotta sting a bit.
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Didn't mean to start a war lol

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The "imported" kit u get from B&G is the same bullshiz thats on ebay, BUT he gives a 1 year warranty. When B&G sells the bullshiz china pipes its called "imported", but when On3 does, it is called china crap. You nut swingin puzzies...bullshiz is bullshiz don't candy coat it.

If u want cheap, reliable and good quality build ur own.
I am lacking two things to follow your advice:

1)the grammar skills to understand that post

2)those of us that aren't fabricators need partners to help support our turbo setups. The type of pain my car puts on a hotside requires well thought out design and properly fabricated parts. The small issues over the years that Brian has helped me fix were of the variety that having a welder in the garage wasn't going to address. Years of experience making turbo kits isn't made up easily.

If you are a occasional racer and garage queen then the support factor is less of an issue, and quality may be less tested.

If you put major pain on parts, unless you are a fabricator then you need a partner who has the experience to support and longevity in business.

Each person needs to determine what they require in terms of a product and a relationship with a vendor and make a decision. Budget constrained people that are ok with less then desirable customer service have an option. Those with different requirements have other options.

I would test out an imported B&G hotside if I built a mild street car. It is the matter of right tool for the job.

I wouldn't do anything with ON3 products after I have consumed all the information on this board but that is strictly my opinion. To me customer service and long term relationships are relevant and worth paying a reasonable amount of additional dollars.

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If I had the room for a welder and all the stuff to fab up a kit I would learn to. But my garage is about the size of a closet lol. If I go this route I will go with b&g more than likely

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If I had the room for a welder and all the stuff to fab up a kit I would learn to. But my garage is about the size of a closet lol. If I go this route I will go with b&g more than likely

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Honestly I don't plan on making HUGE amounts of boost or power...if I go the power adder route it will just be a freshened up bottom end and some mild heads...gt40s,world jrs or if I found a good price on some afr 165s. If I stay na then its geting a 331 stroker and some high ports or 185/205 afrs and a big cam on efi.

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Yup I manage a strip club...watching a russian chick spin on the pole as I type

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My gates and bov's work great for the customers and just saying they are bad doesn't back anything up. My warranty is the same and covers it just like B&G and if there was an issue, I too have a fabrication department that would address any such issue if it came up. This has been fought about since day one, figured people would get sick of it by now. I know I have
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When I spoke with B&G last spring when he started selling the the ebay pipes he said its the same thing as ebay, BUT he offers a warranty.

Some DIY setups can handle big power others can't. Guess it depends on research, welding abilities and materials.


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Elaborate for me on how the build quality is better than what I have to offer with some valid facts that you are basing your claim from?
Just click on this elaboration..lol

https://forums.corral.net/forums/turb...ty-issues.html

Also..there's a thread about bov falling off
And then the infamous "Injector"/Customer Service Threead"

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My gates and bov's work great for the customers and just saying they are bad doesn't back anything up. My warranty is the same and covers it just like B&G and if there was an issue, I too have a fabrication department that would address any such issue if it came up. This has been fought about since day one, figured people would get sick of it by now. I know I have
1. So you offer a 2 year warranty just like B&G....seriously?
2. Is your fab dept. overseas?
3. There's no reason for "us" to be sick of this...People pay their hard earned money, and want decent quality products for it

And that not a lol

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Post up pictures of your shop, fabrication department and injector flow bench.....we would all like to see it...

i too have your complete foxbody kit.....no problems with any of it...but you ended my loyalty to you and backing you up after your attitude went to #### and you blatantly sell knock off injectors and label them as name brand at time of sale....

and you know damn well your injectors arent from a name brand source..you get them from a no name place that has zero QC in asia

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My gates and bov's work great for the customers and just saying they are bad doesn't back anything up. My warranty is the same and covers it just like B&G and if there was an issue, I too have a fabrication department that would address any such issue if it came up. This has been fought about since day one, figured people would get sick of it by now. I know I have
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Ok guys I really didn't want this to turn into a bashing thread. I just wanted a few different options. I used to run my own performance parts business and while it was small variety is the spice of life and what keeps the aftermarket going. So let's try to keep the bashing to a minimum please.

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^^^^^^^^^^then to answer your question....NO...there's no such thing as a cheap turbo kit.^^^^^


You could piece one together tho.

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You can make an on3 kit work but it has its flaws..(as you can see lol) IMO I'd waste the extra $400 on a B&G kit.. they have better turbos,better manifolds,better warrenty,and ALOT better customer service!You could also fab up your own kit/buy a used one off the classifieds
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I'm still wondering where I went wrong...

I can't keep a straight face thiking that FineLineMtrSprts is hanging out in a strip club all day posting messages about turbo kits on mustangs.


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Wasn't looking for "cheap" just low priced options. And as far as me posting while working....yup I'm doing this as a stripper is bitching to me about her child support..as one asks me for a free drink...while my laptop is sitting in front of me with 3 jeep forums and facebook open lol

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If your worried about any of the pieces that go into our kits, leave them out. We offer that to people all the time if they wanted to go with another brand. If the cap was pinched, it can happen on the diaphram. The customer was refunded, whats the problem??
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Post up pictures of your shop, fabrication department and injector flow bench.....we would all like to see it...

i too have your complete foxbody kit.....no problems with any of it...but you ended my loyalty to you and backing you up after your attitude went to #### and you blatantly sell knock off injectors and label them as name brand at time of sale....

and you know damn well your injectors arent from a name brand source..you get them from a no name place that has zero QC in asia
Products are not lied about at all, I sell a wide variety of products include On 3 Performance and other brand name products. Sure I have deka's on the shelf and other injector brands as well. I dont just stock one brand of a certain product

Anyone can have a bad day and I will not be talked to in a disrespectful manner. I will not tolerate it and if it were me, I'd expect to be talked to the same way. If you call me with respectful manner, the situations can be handled in a quick and professional manner. I would not call anyone and talk the same way or I would expect the person on the other line to treat me the same.

I handle issues with customers daily and its crazy how much can be accomplished with a person that call in with courtesy and respect
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yeah but telling someone your selling them real authentic seimens deka injectors and sending them your brand instead is a completely different story...
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Respect?? You obviously must have totally missed the other thread!

On3 Customer Service - YouTube

where is the respect at ~53 seconds? ~1:15? OR HOW ABOUT 1:32?!? You were the one who started with the horrible attitude. How would you ever expect any respect after that.

And to admit that you sold him Deka injectors, sent him a junk knockoff, but claim to have the real ones "in stock" just makes you look even worse.
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Ok the mods can close this thread if they want....this isn't what I was trying to do.

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