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Honest Question for ON3

I have never spoken to you, I have only seen 2 of your kits in person, so I really know nothing about you and only go off what I see here but just wanted to ask a question about something I seem to see on here very regularly. If I am wrong, I am wrong and will admit it. This is what I see all the time on here.

I have been wondering why you never or almost never reply to threads here where your customers have issues with the kits, yet will make post about new and exciting builds? I have even seen you get on, reply to other threads and somehow over look the ones that arent appluading your kit.

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by the way I have talk to some performance and tuning shops in the Ohio area and they all have said stay away from On3. They said you'll never make any real power with their china crap. This is what I've heard from more than 5 shops in that area.

Strange enough is that I have on of their kits. I got it in a timely fashion ( unlike ponydown or B & G which take up to 8 weeks for delivery).

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by the way I have talk to some performance and tuning shops in the Ohio area and they all have said stay away from On3. They said you'll never make any real power with their china crap. This is what I've heard from more than 5 shops in that area.

Strange enough is that I have on of their kits. I got it in a timely fashion ( unlike ponydown or B & G which take up to 8 weeks for delivery).
i made a little power lol. i added 134 at 7pounds

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by the way I have talk to some performance and tuning shops in the Ohio area and they all have said stay away from On3. They said you'll never make any real power with their china crap. This is what I've heard from more than 5 shops in that area.

Strange enough is that I have on of their kits. I got it in a timely fashion ( unlike ponydown or B & G which take up to 8 weeks for delivery).
rofl well maybe should stay away from those tuners but again how much power are u trying to get out of the stock 5.0 blocks which is what they say there kits are for and number they show are from. u can only go so far and for 1400 bucks realy how much hp would u think u would get from a 5.0 mid 10s on a stock bottom end seems like a good buy if u asked me u could always go nos if u wanted cheaper hp for the buck
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I have the new 4v kit and I am making 600 to the ground as for the power thing, my only complaint with this kit is the flanges and the v-bands, I mean how much could it actually cost to use some quality flanges and v-bands it would make life so much easier.
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Like I said.....
I talked to some perf./tuning shops in that area! When I told them what my goal was, they told me to go with a specific brand of turbo i.e. turbonetics etc,,, if I wanted to reach a specific horsepower goal. They said stay away from china made turbo kits because if you wanted to make 850-1000hp those kits won't cut it. I'm not going to air out the names of the shop because that's their personal opinion on a particular product; as you have opinions on the products you use.

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believe me, I have 1st hand experience with incompetent tuners and I try to stay far away from them as I can ( but this tuner is well known in the Ohio area ). He told me stay away from On3 before I could say what kit I had lol. I do have a 351w motor which is okay and should get me near my goal.

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lol a little horsepower. Sounds like good numbers to me.

I reiterate that I do have this kit for 351w and have had no problems with installation or tech support.

If someone called me out on the forum about a product I sold them I would rectify the problem asap. You gotta take the good with the bad I guess, not run away from it. That's the point I take with 4jenna's post

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I think 4Jenna has the hots for On3Performance, to be honest.

Don't lie. You are obsessed with Chad. Atleast, it appears that way. I don't know you, or anything about you , but It appears you are in more On3 threads than anyone who doesn't run an On3 kit.

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my only complaint with this kit is the flanges and the v-bands, I mean how much could it actually cost to use some quality flanges and v-bands it would make life so much easier.
check the prices of ebay v-bands and RPS. probably at least $50
i got my DP v-band from RPS but my 2.5" v-bands from columbia river. hopefully I wont have issues with them
v-bands and wastegates leaking seem to be the only real problems with the ON3 kit. but quality bands and gates would raise the price.
back to topic. Chris is right. ON3 posts in their build threads and praise threads, but not normally in negative ones.
I send a few PMs to them a while back and got immediate responses. Havent heard of them ignoring calls or emails either. only a few quality issues with leakage and orders missing a few pieces(that usually get corrected)

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thanks howard, i do agree this is no 1000+ hp turbo kit, and a brand name turbo is better.

well 4jenna started a thread saying there isnt anymore tech on this site and now theres just drama then he starts this thread to start drama...so. just sayin...no harm


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edited. no prob

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I think 4Jenna has the hots for On3Performance, to be honest.

Don't lie. You are obsessed with Chad. Atleast, it appears that way. I don't know you, or anything about you , but It appears you are in more On3 threads than anyone who doesn't run an On3 kit.
I think you have ill intentions towards me since I called you out for claiming 130-132mph on the butt-o-meter when your car hasnt ran it. Kinda sad since you are a shop or something arent you?

I do post in the ON3 threads as thats all thats really here on Corral. Someone cant ask a question w/o getting attacked?
You dont think the question I asked in this thread deserves a answer since this forum is flooded with ON3 issues that never have a reply to them from ON3. Maybe I am speaking up for my fellow forum users, or just wanted to ask a simple question....this is after all a public forum.

Now woulda yah get off my case and go back to claiming ET's and MPH. Who does that, isnt that like a import thing?

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thanks howard, i do agree this is no 1000+ hp turbo kit, and a brand name turbo is better.

well 4jenna started a thread saying there isnt anymore tech on this site and now theres just drama then he starts this thread to start drama...so. just sayin...no harm
So since I try and make this place better and asking for more tech I am held to the option of soley being allowed to make tech post.
This is a huge issue in this forum and I wanted to speak up and ask. I am also making this post in hopes to better this forum!

Maybe then we can get past all the constant ON3 BS, the saga goes on and on and the ON3 guys never say a peep. Except when someone makes great power with their kit they say "Must be a monster"

You would think they would want to nip all the bad post in the butt, but no they go un answered. It makes me scratch my head.
They pm'd me saying they do all their tech over the phone.

I'm almost afraid to give my opin on that since everyone around here thinks I'm crazy for asking WTF is up with all this BS

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Dan Spicer went 9.57 at 142MPH with a stock block twisted wdge head anderson cammedd ON 3 70 mm kit, numerous 9.60 passes ohh and with a AOD!

So for the $$$ they make great power ,we are using one on a project now after seeing his success.

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I see, ask and you shall recieve. Or I poof into the clouds hah

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Lol, you do know your stuff. Im just a newb looking to learn. I have learned alot from this website

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Dan Spicer went 9.57 at 142MPH with a stock block twisted wdge head anderson cammedd ON 3 70 mm kit, numerous 9.60 passes ohh and with a AOD!

So for the $$$ they make great power ,we are using one on a project now after seeing his success.
Turbo cars are easy to make fast thats why we run them! No way I coulda went 9s on my 331, wedge, holley int car this easy either...trust me I tried in the past haha!

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i'm with you 4jenna, i'd like to know what the deal is. I dont have a turbo setup, but i've been planning to get a turbo setup for a while but more important stuff has always come up. I originally was looking into getting a quicktime setup back when that guy was making them and poof bunch of issues, and now hes done.

it does seem like a great kit for the money, which is why i dont understand why they wont respond to criticism or negative threads about their bread and butter. that being said, i do plan to get a kit and modify as needed down the road. i think it's a decent foundation to work with.
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They do have thread that says all turbo kit questions here. Just saying

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yeah breakdown they do but that thread was started in the 90's and they haven't posted on there since webcrawler was popular! jk

I'm not a magazine racer, my car is actually fast.
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They do have thread that says all turbo kit questions here. Just saying
You stick up and speak more for them than they do. I'm glad to see they have some customers that back them.

ON3 asked me to make another thread, and I did.

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I wondered the same thing as 4jenna. They were very active posting about their new kits right along the same time people were posting alot of issues. It would be great if they just responded to this stuff. We all know what the kit is and everyone (MOST!!) like it for the money. So y not call it what it is and follow up with your customers. I bet they would sell even more kits if they were on here helping out. Every turbo company has had issues. Get it sorted out and move on. Pretty simple I think.

On a side note Chad has taken some serious heat and he kept blazing and trying to change things and he's still making new kits. That's a key to success
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I do have to agree.

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I do have to agree.
I have a kit which i'm happy with but totally agree with 4jenna.. They did it a few times in my thread and I have seen this numerous times...which does bother me!!
What the deal ON3?? If you can chime in and say "great build"...Why can't you do the same when someones having a issue with something they bought from YOU???

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its because they know for a fact that their customers are getting ripped. its all about money. when some naive newbie posts a thread on how they love their kit two hours after bolting it to the car, its just free advertisement that encourages more naive people to give them more money. then sure they are happy to take credit for that. but when somebody posts real issues and they need to defend their product they run and hide, because they know the parts are junk. they know how cheap all that stuff really is and are not going to be willing to stand by it. this is a company that you wont see around for very long trust me. you cant do business like that and expect to keep it going forever, who cares if theyre listed in jegs? i feel bad for anyone who has bought anything from this shady company. because once theyre gone these kits are only going to be worth their weight in scrap metal. last i heard from the local recycling company, aluminum was going for $0.73 cents a pound

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I had a faulty wastegate, and an install issue with the other.

Not only did they replace the defective unit, but they walked me through the troubleshooting on the other one as well.

The naive people are the ones who think that On3 will die off.

The naive people are the ones who think that feedback (of any sort) does not matter to them. There have been many small issues that they have improved upon over the years.

The fact is, the On3 kits on the right hands, have proven to be a great bang for the buck. Every company which sells a lot of kits, will have there massive amounts of complaints online....period. Especially considering we are speaking of turbo kits.

I honestly believe that On3 is headed into a good position within our industry. They are doing everything they can to add quality to their kits as time passes...while retaining affordability.

Someone please find a quality kit for $2000 or less.....with no complaints online. When you do, I will never make a post again. If you cannot, shut your keyboards down momentarily and compare apples to apples. It is not On3's fault that his kits are getting compared to a $7,000 kit.

What cracks me up, are owners of Mustangs complaining about these issues. A ferrari owner looks at a mustang owner like a "high end" turbo kit owner looks at an On3 user.

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its because they know for a fact that their customers are getting ripped. its all about money. when some naive newbie posts a thread on how they love their kit two hours after bolting it to the car, its just free advertisement that encourages more naive people to give them more money. then sure they are happy to take credit for that. but when somebody posts real issues and they need to defend their product they run and hide, because they know the parts are junk. they know how cheap all that stuff really is and are not going to be willing to stand by it. this is a company that you wont see around for very long trust me. you cant do business like that and expect to keep it going forever, who cares if theyre listed in jegs? i feel bad for anyone who has bought anything from this shady company. because once theyre gone these kits are only going to be worth their weight in scrap metal. last i heard from the local recycling company, aluminum was going for $0.73 cents a pound
I think you've been holding that in!!! I wouldn't say all that.. They have helped me with any issue I've had really.. but as far as what 4jenna is speaking on I agree...The end!!

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I would say a On3 kit is comparable to Maaco paint job.
You know for the price some quality has to be sacrificed but sometimes thats all that the budget allows. Surely these people that are buying them dont expect everything to be perfect.
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The naive people are the ones who think that On3 will die off.
This is probably true. There will always be cheap people who will settle for less.



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Every company which sells a lot of kits, will have there massive amounts of complaints online....period. Especially considering we are speaking of turbo kits.
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It is not On3's fault that his kits are getting compared to a $7,000 kit.
Sure it is. You throw your hat in the ring to compete, that's what happens. Not to mention the fact that he will compare his stuff directly to 7k kits, and you can find that comparison many times.



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What cracks me up, are owners of Mustangs complaining about these issues. A ferrari owner looks at a mustang owner like a "high end" turbo kit owner looks at an On3 user.
I love it, too. Especially with someone in your unique position. You buy the mustang of turbo kits, but work at a Ferrari plant. (For anyone who doesn't know he works at a high quality suspension shop). Other people copy your stuff, and make inferior copies of it. You KNOW there is a difference. So do I. That's why I sell your stuff. What do you do when someone complain about your competitor ? "Well, I'd like to see you get a better quality part from anyone else for that price."
Hell no, you laugh and think "Shoulda bought the quality #### from me instead." The Ferrari owners don't start talking #### until the Mustang owners say they have a better car, or they got the same performance for WAY less. When everyone knows they didn't. Ferrari owners laughs and says " Get your exhaust to seal, stop the leaking oil out your down pipes and maybe we'll race."
You are one of the FEW people who got a warranty. My honest guess is you were sponsored possibly in some way, or you didn't pay full price. He didn't want to upset you, especially with a lengthy build on here and a few other places. Is this not true ? You got lucky he didn't warranty it like the last guy. Made him pay for the new part. Said he would get his money after he fixed the broken one, and sold it to someone else.

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10secgoal, you bring up valid and great points.

I will try and keep this short, but it probably will not happen.....

I look at On3's situation in a realistic manner. I remember a while back thinking to myself "I would not run an On3 kit due to the issues"

However, I wanted to run one just to do it. They are affordable, and I know that A: I am very good with fabrication and have excellent mechanical/technical skills...so any shortcomings I can overcome, and B: I can get most of my money back if I am not happy with it.

I contacted them, and I believe I probably received one of (if not the) first forward facing 4V kits. Did I get the kit for free? No. Did I get a discount? Yes, I got free shipping. These kits are so cheap, I find it hard to believe there is much mark up in them....so I did not feel it necessary to talk them down on price.

That being said, I made the threads that I did for a few reasons. The main reason was simply because I was one of the first with the 4V kit, and wanted to make a nice thread for the many people who will follow my steps.

The other reason was just because. Because I am very opinionated, and feel that a lot of issues out there are very simple to overcome...and a lot of those issues could probably be easy to prevent with proper install by someone who is very experienced in modifying vehicles. Some, including yourself may be more experienced....but in other ways such as creativity and skill sets pertaining to fabrication. I got this kit to "plug and play"

I wanted to see what the fuss was about. This is why you will see in my threads, that I chose to install certain components that I did not feel very comfortable with, but just wanted to do it "just because" Example...the VERY cheap gaskets that come with the kit, the cheap oil filter relocation kit, and the base On3 Turbo/WG/BOV. Keep in mind, I am using an $800 junkyard stock Mach engine.

Now... I would consider MY experience with this On3 kit exceptional, considering the investment. This was the first kit shipped out, and it is working great. That says a lot, in my eyes.

The part where we differ; I see a growing company in On3. You are correct, I work for a high end suspension manufacturer. I previously worked for a high end engine building operation. Previous to those, I was in a few very "critical" career fields....while also owning and operating an automotive performance business(for 5 years..notice I am still an advertiser). I can see your point of view, perfect and clearly. Now that you know what you already knew, I will get to the point. Most companies who have become what they are today, my current employer, my previous engine building employer, etc....started out similar to the way On3 has. I would be willing to bet that On3's revenues have drastically improved each year since their inception. Regardless of leaking kits, that is impressive if it is true. Regardless of all the online hate, it is what it is. There is a reason for it, and it is simply because they offer a kit that "can work" with the right end user....and even "partially works" with a dumb dumb.

The owner of On3 is younger than I am, and I am not even 30 yoa. When you look at the entire picture, it all makes perfect sense. A thriving (revenue) business with a young owner, minimal employees, and being in such a tough market....the feedback is to be expected. Many do not agree with the new ways of making profits....but that is to be expected. Our society has become blind when comprehending certain aspects of business....and it is plainly seen when people throw the China card out...yet their entire home is outfitted with Chinese fabricated/mfgd. products.

High end companies don't start high end. If they do, then somewhere before that time there were issues along the way. I can confidently state that I have personally noticed On3 make improvements as time goes by. Will they ever offer kits with higher end components? Probably. Will they ever be considered a "high end" turbo kit supplier? Who knows, but if their business continues to grow there is a very good chance.

Lastly, I will add; I have installed (or assisted with) just about every turbo kit available (mainstream kits) on a mod motor at some point and time in the past. I will honestly tell you, I don't see where the other thousands of dollars would pay off on a combination such as mine.

I have nothing against any current turbo kit supplier/mfgr. I just firmly believe that a "high end" turbo kit on the "average Joe's" stock motored Mustang is just not worth the extra cost. Once the auto goes in the car, I will add the results to my threads, and I think many will agree.


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If I didn't have a life I'd read that essay, but from the looks of it must be a good read.

Don't worry everyone, before long the cool guys will have ran everyone off that dares challange their opin and then what they say in here will be law.

This forum should be called "ON3 Turbocharging We run the Game"

To bad we couldn't meet at the track, I'd love to regulate and show all these forum guru's what real talk is.
I have recieved a few PM's and dont worry guys, I to am almost done with this section of Corral and your right...it is their way or the highway mentaility!

Vendors running reg ole users off, sad!

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If I didn't have a life I'd read that essay, but from the looks of it must be a good read.

Don't worry everyone, before long the cool guys will have ran everyone off that dares challange their opin and then what they say in here will be law.

This forum should be called "ON3 Turbocharging We run the Game"

To bad we couldn't meet at the track, I'd love to regulate and show all these forum guru's what real talk is.
I have recieved a few PM's and dont worry guys, I to am almost done with this section of Corral and your right...it is their way or the highway mentaility!

Vendors running reg ole users off, sad!
Obviously we all just need to get an on3 kit and some 4.10's............
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I am for one done with trying to give advice in threads that the brain washed ON3 fellas are in. The 11-12sec guys always know more than the dude running 9's

It's obvious, they have the real know how and the dude running 9's is all wrong. Or I'm just a rich Enlisted AF guy with 4 kids that just tons of $$ to throw at his pos 95' stang haha.

Gotta know when to tap out!

It's much more fun helping those willing, or to be in my garage wrenching or at the track racing. Forums use to be so much more important thing to me, I guess the older I grow, the less I want to deal with it. Sad thing because I remember 7-8 years ago bad ass 10, 9, 8 sec cars on sites and they eventually faded away. Reasons unknown, but it seems I to may begin to fade.

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