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Considering a Stand Alone for my Turbo car, Recommendations??

Thinking of finally going to a stand alone for my car (See signature). Looking for experiences, recommendations, etc. Leaning towards a Big Stuff 3. But I want to hear what people think about the BS3, Fast, Accel, Megasquirt, and AEM. Please rant if necessary....This is an expensive investment and I am hoping to maximize the power in my car with good driveability. Thanks in advance!


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I'm running xfi 2.0, car runs great. You cant go wrong with any of the top systems like fast or bs3 etc. It all comes down to who's tuning it. Cal Hartline tuned my car and have no complaints. My car is a streetcar and part throttle driveability was what I was looking for.

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I run a fast xfi also, but they are all good units!
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I'm running xfi 2.0, car runs great. You cant go wrong with any of the top systems like fast or bs3 etc. It all comes down to who's tuning it. Cal Hartline tuned my car and have no complaints. My car is a streetcar and part throttle driveability was what I was looking for.
I called Cal Hartline and talked to him before i made my decision, and he pretty much sold me on the XFI. plus i ran across a helluva deal on a used XFI setup in the classifieds on here that was too good to pass up.
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for what its worth i had a megasquirt and strongly DONT recommend it! It's cheap but hard to tune and most tuners seem to have no will to mess with it. I went with a factory computer with a tune my self but I hear great things about the fast and BS3 also.

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XFI here. Been a great system, but thinking about selling it. Hit me up if you go this route. Build date dec 2010. 2.0 loaded. Great system, just want to go back to a blow thorugh. BS3 or XFI will work well for you.

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I run BS3 and it's great, but as noted any system is only as good as the tuner and what they pref.

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Yeah if u want ur pocket way lighter for no reason run those...otherwise Megasquirt 1,2 or 3. They all do the same #### except 1 of them is more customizable and cheaper. Just google all the options.


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no need for rant...

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how is the PMS holding you back?

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Yeah if u want ur pocket way lighter for no reason run those...otherwise Megasquirt 1,2 or 3. They all do the same #### except 1 of them is more customizable and cheaper. Just google all the options.
LOL...I have been doing alot of that with all your post as of late.

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Been looking to go stand alone too and was torn between BS3 and XFI. Starting to look pretty close at the Pro EFI system now though too.

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Yeah if u want ur pocket way lighter for no reason run those...otherwise Megasquirt 1,2 or 3. They all do the same #### except 1 of them is more customizable and cheaper. Just google all the options.
How fast are people going with MS? Im just curious, I gave a quick look at it before I sprung for XFI, didnt see a lot of cars running in the 8s with MS and that was one reason I steerd away.

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How fast are people going with MS? Im just curious, I gave a quick look at it before I sprung for XFI, didnt see a lot of cars running in the 8s with MS and that was one reason I steerd away.
Where did u look? Try the turbo forums. All the softwares are the same...they do the same stuff. If u have the power to run 8s I doubt software is what is gonna hold u back.


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Where did u look? Try the turbo forums. All the softwares are the same...they do the same stuff. If u have the power to run 8s I doubt software is what is gonna hold u back.
Been a long time member on TF and I still do not see many fast MS cars. When Brian Macy gives an opinion, I listen. Here is some good stuff.

ms vs big stuff

Again not saying its a bad system, it has goods and bads, but you dont see many records being set with MS.

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Where did u look? Try the turbo forums. All the softwares are the same...they do the same stuff. If u have the power to run 8s I doubt software is what is gonna hold u back.

The efi system is another tool in the tool box, guys can make anything fast. I think people with real tuning knowledge would pass out if they saw the text I highlighted of yours. It's just not that simple.

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Been a long time member on TF and I still do not see many fast MS cars. When Brian Macy gives an opinion, I listen. Here is some good stuff.

ms vs big stuff

Again not saying its a bad system, it has goods and bads, but you dont see many records being set with MS.
He must want his pocket lighter...

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Do you sell any of these systems? The tuner I may go with recommended BS3. There is a used FAST system on here for sale too though....

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I quit. Megasquirt sucks and all cars running it are slow.


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^^ lol Bs3 here. Wouldnt change it for anything.


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I quit. Megasquirt sucks and all cars running it are slow.
At least they got through to someone.

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I run Ms for now and have no problems. If I was loaded though I'd have sprung for a XFI. my Ms unit isn't holding me back right now though.

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I am quite happy with my AEM setup. I can do anything I want with it like adding a COP setup and ditching the Dizzy. Instead of messing around with circut boards and stuff, you just run new wiring or re-pin. Plug and Play and very easy to setup. I say if you plan on modding mustangs for a long time and may go with something completely different, go with an AEM.
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I challenge u guys to show me something ur standalone does that MS can't do or can't be modded to do. No need to "messing around with circut boards and stuff". They now come plug and play as well. If u don't want plug and play they come assembled, u don't want assembled u can get a kit to assemble to ur liking. U can run SFI, LS coils, COP or whatever ignition u want...thats nothing new thats been possible since MS1. Whatever sensors u want to run. Runs all injectors. Not to mention it is way cheaper than any other standalone. I don't understand how a standalone can hold u back especially when it is fully customizable to ur needs. Does the EMS, XFI or BS3 have a dual core processor?

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the main reason MS is not setting any records is because most people that run it are tight on a dollar. most are running MP or Holset turbos. it is the cheapest route if you are willing/able to educate yourself
it would be nice to have a dart race block and a precision turbo running XFI or BS3 and paying someone more money to tune it than I spend buying the MS, but thats not me.

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guessing that you are comparing it to the base box and not the dae ones or?
I read the list and these didnt pop put at me, do correct me if i am wrong
traction control , 2 step , 3 stages of boost spark, starting line timng tables, how does the m/s data log?


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I'm not to up on the latest MS but how about these features:

DBW, traction control not just based on a timer,low or high impedance injectors, ability to run 16 or 24 injectors, staged injectors, boost by gear and/or mph, timers for timing used for launching, pwm used to control something like a fuel lab fuel pump, able to tune by a datalog-what I mean is let the software do all the changes to the fueling map after you do a log, make a 3,4,5,6 etc dimensional table for timing and/or fueling, control something like a meth kit-not just turn it on or off but have the MS tell the meth nozzles how much to spray and at what rpm/load, individual cylinder control for timing and fuel based off rpm AND load.

These are a few things just came to mind right away. I'LL think of more and post them.

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Whats wrong with your PMS ? Ive got one on my turbo 347 set up with a t488mm went 5.40's at 130 at 3250 on radials . E85 160# injectors street driven . Just sayin the pms may be more capible than you think ...
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Whats wrong with your PMS ? Ive got one on my turbo 347 set up with a t488mm went 5.40's at 130 at 3250 on radials . E85 160# injectors street driven . Just sayin the pms may be more capible than you think ...
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Hell u can do alot of that with the bottom barrel MS1 2.2.


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Hell u can do alot of that with the bottom barrel MS1 2.2.
So what can't the top of the line ms do of the things that were listed?

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thank you!

i asked the very same question... and as usual no one knows the REAL problem yet have a solution for it
The PMS is a very capable setup.i used it with great success. One of the reasons I went to as/a computer was for traction control and boost control.

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