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Air-Air intercooler for 800+?

Im looking for a good air to air intercooler that will support over 800whp. I have been looking at one from Precison turbo, but they only claim it will support 825hp and its the biggest one they offer. It also has 2 3/4" inlet and outlet. So im not so sure that will be what I really need. Ill be running a Precision billet 7675CEA and it has a 3" outlet on the compressor side. Right now I plan to run 3" pipe from the intercooler to the throttle body. The cooler itself is 3 1/2" thick though. So im not sure if the smaller inlet and outlet of this cooler would be a real restriction or not. I really wish it had 3" instead and im going to be using v-band connections. Im open to any other possibilities but I dont want to spend more than $700 for one
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I have a big procharger air/air intercooler for $600 shipped. It's good for 1000 + Hp Let me know I'll post pics in a sec

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Dimensions are 27x14.5x3.
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well i found a brand new treadstone that is supposed to be good to over 1300hp and has a much larger core than that one for over $100 cheaper. how much did you pay for that?

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None of those cores will realistically support 1000hp. You may be able to make that HP, the the inlets won't be great. The procharger one will have GREAT cfm rating because the core is so short, and a small restriction. But won't cool real as well. The Treadstone is better because the cores are a bit longer, but they don't use the best cores. The PTE one you showed would be the best probably. But the pressure drop could be up there because the IC is so long. But cooling will be great. I'd go a little taller, like 12-14 if you could, and shorter the core a little.
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I have the Precision 825hp one. I run a 3" cold side with it, works fine for me.

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I have the Precision 825hp one. I run a 3" cold side with it, works fine for me.
I am leaning towards that one right now. But the description says its 34 1/2 inches long. I need to know if that is measured from the bottom (inlet to outlet) or from the top (endtank to endtank). It may be a little too long. From my measurements on the car I only have 32 inches of space to work with at the top of the intercooler

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I still run the cheaper version A/A they sell on ebay for under 200$, I will untill I go A/W. I have seen and read about guys going in the 8's on these making big hp, although the precision/procharger ones are much nicer and a higher fin count I'm sure.
Mine is 36x12x4, it's the large cheapo one with 3" in/out.
I run the same turbo as you, with 3" from the turbo to IC, and 3" cold side to TB. My car made just over 770rw on 18psi thru a shorty air filter, full exh, and a auto.

If you are staying A/A I also would get a nice one! My IAT's have never been an issue.

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yea props to you for getting it to work for cheap. no offense and i dont want to sound stuck up or anything, but an ebay intercooler isnt coming anywhere near my car. its just personal preference i guess

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I still run the cheaper version A/A they sell on ebay for under 200$, I will untill I go A/W. I have seen and read about guys going in the 8's on these making big hp, although the precision/procharger ones are much nicer and a higher fin count I'm sure.
Mine is 36x12x4, it's the large cheapo one with 3" in/out.
I run the same turbo as you, with 3" from the turbo to IC, and 3" cold side to TB. My car made just over 770rw on 18psi thru a shorty air filter, full exh, and a auto.

If you are staying A/A I also would get a nice one! My IAT's have never been an issue.
I have the same one. It ships in B&G kits. The best price out of the kit is:

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I have gone 8.48 @ 166.75 on it.

They are rated at 1000 flywheel hp, doing the math I'm seeing close to 1000 rwhp through it.

I now think it is my limiting factor but the real next "step up" is an expensive Garrett core. The 5" core can support 1400 or so hp but requires custom sheet metal tanks and won't fit in an LX nose. We are going to do one of these on my car after the Ohio NMRA race.

My $.02, don't waste money anything that is a marginal improvement from the $189 one because simply put, it works.

The other options listed above cost a lot more and are rated at less hp. Where is the payback? If you want to spend money man-up and get the garrett core. I would love to see a good write up on testing one :-)

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I still run the cheaper version A/A they sell on ebay for under 200$, I will untill I go A/W. I have seen and read about guys going in the 8's on these making big hp, although the precision/procharger ones are much nicer and a higher fin count I'm sure.
Mine is 36x12x4, it's the large cheapo one with 3" in/out.
I run the same turbo as you, with 3" from the turbo to IC, and 3" cold side to TB. My car made just over 770rw on 18psi thru a shorty air filter, full exh, and a auto.

If you are staying A/A I also would get a nice one! My IAT's have never been an issue.
I'm with you on that. There's better places to spend big money on a turbo car than on a intercooler. I've read of too many guys making big power and going really fast with cheapo intercoolers. I'm going with the cheap frozenboost a/w on my setup Water to Air Intercoolers , and i expect to see close to if not over 1000rwhp.
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My car is at the body shop getting the new hood painted, will be a week before I can measure it for you.

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i am open to using a garrett core, i just dont know where to find one and i havent looked. i have no doubt that the ebay cooler works and will run a fast time at the track. the way i look at things is from a resale standpoint. an ebay cooler is worth basically nothing to me for resale and is not appealing to any potential buyers. plus i am an avid supporter of the phrase "you get what you pay for"

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I sold a smashed version of the same intercooler for $80 after I rolled forward on my trailer and hit the jack on the front of the trailer.

I think that is a reasonable resale value.

If you really want one I can get you the info on the Garrett core.

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I am in the same boat, I wanted a "good" intercooler. Bought the Precision, it works great, I am happy.

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Im looking for a good air to air intercooler that will support over 800whp. I have been looking at one from Precison turbo, but they only claim it will support 825hp and its the biggest one they offer. It also has 2 3/4" inlet and outlet. So im not so sure that will be what I really need. Ill be running a Precision billet 7675CEA and it has a 3" outlet on the compressor side. Right now I plan to run 3" pipe from the intercooler to the throttle body. The cooler itself is 3 1/2" thick though. So im not sure if the smaller inlet and outlet of this cooler would be a real restriction or not. I really wish it had 3" instead and im going to be using v-band connections. Im open to any other possibilities but I dont want to spend more than $700 for one
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Don't know what year is your Mustang but here is a pic of the Precision 825hp intercooler that is mounted behind my 86 bumper cover.





I tilted it because i was adamant on even trimming the nose at all. My car made 790rwhp with a loose converter and max'ed my 1000cc injectors on E85 behind a TH400. If you do the math on the injectors and hp, that is over 1000hp at the crank. The Precision intercooler works fine and i was able to fit it behind the bumper cover without any trimming. 3" pipes fit just fine. At the same time, Mike's less expensive intercooler works just as well. I am not sure how much trimming you will need to do on the bumper cover though. I didn't pick out the Precision intercooler, it was included as part of my custom kit from B&G.

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I almost got a precision one, but wanted the larger core and the higher hp rating. I call it the ebay one because everyone does but buy it from raceparts and call it the raceparts one haha.
I got mine from VS racing.

Does sound cooler to say you have a fancy one though!

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Also I cringe when I think about resale and a car like ours haha

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Also I cringe when I think about resale and a car like ours haha
Yeah, that word should be removed from our vocabulary.

I had to trim my bumper cover. Not terribly but it needed trimming. I think if I hadn't put the fuel and trans coolers between intercooler an radiator it may have made it.

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well i have an 03 GT and I think it might have enough space to mount that cooler. Right now I am leaning more towards a Garrett core. From the way people talk about it seems like its the best. Their 24x12x3 inch core is good to 900hp. That seems alot more efficient than others I have looked at and would fit alot better with the space I have to work with. Only problem is ill need to get custom end tanks fabbed up for it and im not sure how much that is going to cost. The core itself is only $360 so if I could get the end tanks welded for not too much that could turn out to be a better deal than paying $600 for the precision unit which wouldnt fit as well and is rated for less power. Seems like a smaller core would help with turbo spool as well

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If you don't have someone local I'm sure Brian at B&G Custom Turbo will take care of this for you at a reasonable price. He is going to do mine but I'm going to do it with the car there because the 5 inch core is going to be a very tight fit on a fox.

Alternatively, good chassis shops usually do things like intercooler fabrication because they are skilled with TIG welding. My chassis guy does turbo kit fabrication and intercooler work also, it just isn't cheap work though. (Joey Gambino, Precision Chassis)

Brian is accoustomed to doing very custom work that gets shipped out, I would suggest him if you can't find a local guy.

As a side note I don't regret going the path I did, it has worked well, and honestly, I didn't know anywhere near enough to anlyze intercoolers when I started this 3 years ago. You will be a good step ahead with the back and forth in this thread as background info.

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They are rated at 1000 flywheel hp, doing the math I'm seeing close to 1000 rwhp through it.
What are your inlets ?
I know bellman has gone 8's with those cores also. He cut them up and welded to together for a 6in core. But his inlets are still 160 at the stripe. Going to be building one for a guy soon because his ebay A/W unit is also 160 at the stripe. Chris, your inlets are like 150 iirc right ? IDK, while it may be better than nothing, I guess you could say it works.
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Between 125 and 140 depending on ambient air temperature.

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What are your inlets ?
I know bellman has gone 8's with those cores also. He cut them up and welded to together for a 6in core. But his inlets are still 160 at the stripe. Going to be building one for a guy soon because his ebay A/W unit is also 160 at the stripe. Chris, your inlets are like 150 iirc right ? IDK, while it may be better than nothing, I guess you could say it works.
Mine were close to 150 with the MPT70 at the end of a run, but I was spinning it for all it had and it was around 100 degree day.


I dont have any passes on the new 76, but the IATs on the dyno were very low (compaired to dynos on the MPT70). I'm sure the E85 is helping now also and a more eff turbo.

It def is not the best out there, but I refused to buy a nice expensive one as I do plan to go A/W.

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Mine were close to 150 with the MPT70 at the end of a run, but I was spinning it for all it had and it was around 100 degree day.
Oh I know. But a 50 deg gain in temp is pretty bad. That's all I'm saying. When you run race gas, that will "work"
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I agree 110%, I blamed the turbo blowing hot air mostly though (just imop). I would call for more boost and the car would slow and IATs would rise LOL. Anything over 11-12psi and the turbo was done and the IATs would read like 144-146.
On 8-10psi the IATs were like 115-118, add 2 psi and it went nuts.

My IATs on the dyno with the new turbo were MUCH lower and I was running 6-8psi more boost than the MPT70. This turbo can live at these boost levels no issues and the E85 like I mentioned.

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thanks 4Jenna.

Just for your info. When i last dyno'ed my car with E85, my inlet temp never went past 84 degs. That was with 14lbs at 748hp and 18lbs at 790hp with 1 minute between pulls to change the setting on my AMS boost controller. On the dyno and at the track is different though. On the street, driving in 98 deg outside temp, my datalog still show the inlet temp to be in the high 80's after giving it a few beatings. I have reached 92 deg once with this intercooler.

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Those IAT/Dyno #'s are very close to mine with the new turbo and E85 also! I need to do some street datalogging

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The other thing to think about is an intercooler on the edge will have slight pressure drop but good iat's because the air spends time in the intercooler.

A super efficient intercooler could have a higher IAT but result in more boost.

I am looking forward to doing some testing once I get this powerglide finished.

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I found a nice intercooler from Chiseled Performance that is good to 1300hp using a 27.8x 12.7 x 5.1 garrett core and 4" inlet/outlet. That seems to be a little overkill for my setup unless I end up going with an 88mm turbo or larger T6 turbo. I plan on using 3" cold side tubing with a T4 turbo. So at this point I am going with a CG Fabrication intercooler with a 6" x 25" x 3 1/2'' core and 3" inlet/outlet good to 1000hp. Should help spool better using the smaller core also and I dont think inlet temps will be an issue especially while running E85

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