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Just got my car retuned and i like the new numbers a lot

I took my car to DRG performance today for a new tune cause i thought my car had more potential and on the first dyno it made 350hp and 440 tq, On the new dyno it made 312hp and 421tq and data logging boost it creeped up to 16psi, after the first new tune it made 429hp and 512tq on 14psi, and the last pull it made 477 hp and 502 tq on 14 psi. I was amazed to say the least. If your live anywhere near Dillsburg PA and are looking for a tuner i strongly recommend Dave Guy of DGR performance and he only charges 500 bucks for a tune.


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Heres my boost levels and air/fuel

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Nice numbers man. The AFR looks nice and solid. Few Questions.

-How much timing do you have in it?
- what fuel was used
-do you have a boost controler or just running off of wastegate?

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Yeah 350 was low 477 is more like it !

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Dyno numbers mean NOTHING! Give us some before and after track times. U can make the piece of paper say anything. Drives me nuts. Looks strong though.

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Nice numbers man. The AFR looks nice and solid. Few Questions.

-How much timing do you have in it?
- what fuel was used
-do you have a boost controler or just running off of wastegate?

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18 degrees of timing, on 93 octane, and its on a boost controller

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Dyno numbers mean NOTHING! Give us some before and after track times. U can make the piece of paper say anything. Drives me nuts. Looks strong though.
Yea, I know paper doesnt mean anything but it pulls a lot harder then it did on my old tune, I'm gonna take it to the track as soon as I can

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Dyno numbers mean NOTHING! Give us some before and after track times. U can make the piece of paper say anything. Drives me nuts. Looks strong though.
I agree that you can skew dyno numbers. If he were just comparing new dyno numbers to previous dyno numbers at a different shop I would have to agree that they should be taken with a grain of salt.

In this case he made a pull with his old tune, changed the tune, made another pull same day same dyno and picked up 117 hp.

I'd say that's pretty good proof that his previous tune was less than optimal and he will see a big difference on the street and on the track.

Congrats to the OP for finding a new tuner.

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Cool that's a little different then. Keep it safe and get some times. 117 extra should be a huge kick in the ol butt meter!


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Congrts on the new numbers. I'm not a big fan of dyno numbers either. I'm surprised to see how much coin people are dropping at tuners. I'm in SFL and the most I've ever paid for a dyno tune session is $250. The tuners down here charge by the hour not by the pull or whatever. The $250 was for a 4 hour session with a crap load of dyno pulls.
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Just as an example my car put down 397 rwhp but ran 9.9's at 137. U do the math. I was pissed at my tuner and he just said trust me. Boy what a surprise . His saying was u use the dyno to make it safe and use the mph and et to determin actual hp at the track. Have fun.

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I agree that you can skew dyno numbers. If he were just comparing new dyno numbers to previous dyno numbers at a different shop I would have to agree that they should be taken with a grain of salt.

In this case he made a pull with his old tune, changed the tune, made another pull same day same dyno and picked up 117 hp.

I'd say that's pretty good proof that his previous tune was less than optimal and he will see a big difference on the street and on the track.

Congrats to the OP for finding a new tuner.
I gained 165 hp on his dyno and 80 tq

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Just as an example my car put down 397 rwhp but ran 9.9's at 137. U do the math. I was pissed at my tuner and he just said trust me. Boy what a surprise . His saying was u use the dyno to make it safe and use the mph and et to determin actual hp at the track. Have fun.
Yea thats true

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I gained 165 hp on his dyno and 80 tq
So you've figured out that I am not a math teacher...I was using the numbers from your first pull on the old tune to the first pull on the new tune. 165 rwhp gain is awesome! Now start saving for a new transmission.

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So you've figured out that I am not a math teacher...I was using the numbers from your first pull on the old tune to the first pull on the new tune. 165 rwhp gain is awesome! Now start saving for a new transmission.
I wasn't hating due I was just clarifying, yea I now im going to save for a t56, how do you like yours?

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I wasn't hating due I was just clarifying, yea I now im going to save for a t56, how do you like yours?
I love it. I have 3:73 gears and never use 6th. If I had it to do over I'd buy one with a taller 1st gear. I've had it for almost 3 years and have had zero problems. I did have a problem getting my shorty h pipe to fit with my stock trans cross member. Had to cut off the hangers and give it a little dent. Then switched to long tubes and had to clearance the aluminum bell a little. When I had the On3 kit on the car it fit fine.

I won't be running a manual trans on my new turbo project though. The manual wasn't the best for 1/4 mile times on the turbo car. Going c4 on this build and shooting for 10's.

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dyno numbers depend on several different factors. Track times also depend on several different factors. If I were him I would be very happy with what he had done. 165whp for $500 is awesome. Even if he had gained only 50whp I would say it was well worth it

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Yea, I know paper doesnt mean anything but it pulls a lot harder then it did on my old tune, I'm gonna take it to the track as soon as I can
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I'm goin to the track this friday what does anyone think ill run not launching?

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I'm goin to the track this friday what does anyone think ill run not launching?
Not launching, I'm going to guess. 0.00 at -3.5 mph. Going to look pretty silly just sitting there on the line.
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what kind software was used?

SCT, Moates, bigstuff, etc......

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what kind software was used?

SCT, Moates, bigstuff, etc......
It has a SCT 4 bank chip

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Dave Guy at DGR he tuned my car as well...he def know his stuff...tuned my car in 2 1/2 hrs
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What does your car make with your new setup, where do you race?

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I'm goin to the track this friday what does anyone think ill run not launching?
12's...............and you didn't even tell me???? that's okay, you need all the practice you can get before october 29th
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Dyno'd @ 477 and ran in the 12's?
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What does your car make with your new setup, where do you race?
The car made 641 and 631tq breaking the tires loose on the dyno @ 6000 rpm..my build thread..https://forums.corral.net/forums/turb...k-build-2.html ....I run at capitol, 75-80, mason dixon but have yet to race at MIR.. havent had a good pass in the car yet only did a test pass..

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Dyno'd @ 477 and ran in the 12's?
I didn't run anything yet the track didnt have test and tune last night

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The car made 641 and 631tq breaking the tires loose on the dyno @ 6000 rpm..my build thread..https://forums.corral.net/forums/turb...k-build-2.html ....I run at capitol, 75-80, mason dixon but have yet to race at MIR.. havent had a good pass in the car yet only did a test pass..
Sounds like your first tuner was like mine he got my car running but it, didnt make very much power, then i took it to dave guy and in two hours it was a monster lol, i like your build i think my next setup will be similar to your and i'm looking to make close to that power

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Dyno'd @ 477 and ran in the 12's?
no, that was just my guess, I'm picking on him .... he won't race me or at least at the track that is com'on Matt let's get an ET on that beast, start makin' me skeeeeert!!!!

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Has anyone ever used a mallary hyfire VI igintion box, and do you like it?

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Has anyone ever used a mallary hyfire VI igintion box, and do you like it?
is it two step capable/ is that why you're looking at one ??
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is it two step capable/ is that why you're looking at one ??
Yea and i can just change rpm's digitally right on the box and my rev limiter

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