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Anyone run their timing locked out?

Sick of dealing with tuners, wana get this thing running right on my own

stock shortblock
ported tw 170s
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11ish psi on3 70mm

was gona try locking it out at 22 degrees, good place to start? Car gets DD duty 7 days a week too.. just throwin that out there

Runs perfect driveability wise untuned, just falls on its face wot, think my alt was on its way out+too much timing+too much plug gap

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18-20 locked out on 10lbs I've always read start at 18 and maybe bump in somemore timing if your motor runs to warm. good luck.

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I run 22* on my set up , id start at 20* and bump it up as needed.

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18-20 locked out on 10lbs I've always read start at 18 and maybe bump in somemore timing if your motor runs to warm. good luck.
warm as in temp wise? Coolant temp?
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I have a supercharger but i run mine locked at 21 degrees and run a Stage 2 meth kit...and my car is still speed density runs great!!!

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ran 20 locked at 12lbs on e85 with no heating issues but on gas did run alot hotter
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I guess I didn't realize you could get away with that much timing on these cars I always ran 15-18 at wot on my lsX vehicles

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why exactly does it make the car run hotter?
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why exactly does it make the car run hotter?
Im thinking because the timing is always advaned?...not set at an intial timing say 10 degrees then advances,as you speed up...I ran my car locked without the water meth kit under boost it ran hot but now i have the meth kit it runs like i dont even have boost...in others words runs like 170-180 degrees...Hope this helps...I want to do a tune someday but for now it seems to run just fine..Can i get more out of a tune sure...but this is set the way to me seems to run great....no pinging,alot of power and cheap...lol....

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just curious what the technical reason behind it is all

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damn I feel like a puss...I was running 24 degrees with e85. And I;m on megasquirt.


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Sick of dealing with tuners, wana get this thing running right on my own

stock shortblock
ported tw 170s
tfsr lower box upper
stock cam 1.7s
11ish psi on3 70mm

was gona try locking it out at 22 degrees, good place to start? Car gets DD duty 7 days a week too.. just throwin that out there

Runs perfect driveability wise untuned, just falls on its face wot, think my alt was on its way out+too much timing+too much plug gap

thanks for any info or ideas

I'm right there with you....i think we used the same tuner and have the same problem..

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I'm right there with you....i think we used the same tuner and have the same problem..
same problems=cool tune that my car wont idle on and if Im rolling and push the clutch it dies due to a bottom 10s afr at idle?
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I run 22* on my set up , id start at 20* and bump it up as needed.
How much boost is your setup? Do you run on pump gas?
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How much boost is your setup? Do you run on pump gas?
I run 10 psi on 93 octane with my timing locked at 21 degrees I also have a snow performance stage 2 meth kit...That helps alot....

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I've been running 10# boost on pump gas with timing locked out @ 18 degrees for 8 years and over 25k miles street driven. No problems, I don't care if I make any more rwhp or torque than my sig says.

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I've been running 10# boost on pump gas with timing locked out @ 18 degrees for 8 years and over 25k miles street driven. No problems, I don't care if I make any more rwhp or torque than my sig says.
Thats what im talking about...What fuel injectors and pump do you run?...

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I wonder how much timing I could run if I ran straight race fuel. Anyone know?
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Depending on what quality of race fuel, but if u have e85 in ur neck ot the woods it performs better than race fuel.


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I wonder how much timing I could run if I ran straight race fuel. Anyone know?
I have a snow perfomance stage 2 meth kit..from what im told when running a 50/50 mix of meth and water its like c16 race gas..

I can tell you this..before i had it the car under boost would run really HOT and Ping bad!!! Now under full boost i can run it all day and temp runs cold...so i know its working....

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same problems=cool tune that my car wont idle on and if Im rolling and push the clutch it dies due to a bottom 10s afr at idle?
Locking the timing out is not going to solve any of the A/F issues. Sounds like you need to find a different tuner maybe or possibly learn to tune it yourself. Just my $.02

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