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post #1 of 33 Old 03-30-2011, 09:19 PM Thread Starter
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Had a scare this morning

started my car this morning just installed my built motor that only has 17 miles on it and i here a crazy noise i turn it off instantly and open my door and see this






so i jack it up and see this




thank god nothing was hurt. so has this happen to any of you? What filters do you run?

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Those are the ones I use.


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Wow, that's horrible.
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how close is the header to the oil filter maybe heat caused it to fail
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never seen a filter do that. Is that some type of extension on top of the filter?The filter just looks weird.
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Believe it or not I had a wix race filter do that.I had just switched from Fram because of what everybody was telling me.I changed the oil that afternoon, later on I left the house, was about a 1/2 mile down the road and I look at my mirror an see a plume of smoke behind me.I pull over thinking I'm a dumba** and forgot to tighten the filter and look under the car to see the bottom split about 3" around.I still use the Wix though.
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never seen a filter do that. Is that some type of extension on top of the filter?The filter just looks weird.
Nope no extension on it. It looks like it bubbled the top and then split the side lol. I have no clue. It's crazy I used fram as well then I got the motor. was told don't use fram use ford. lol well WTF first one I use and look what I get lol
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I'm just happy it happen in my garage and not the freeway. Because my 7k motor could have been [email protected]&$ over a 5$ filter
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looks like my oil pump could be bad guy on MD had the same thing happen and he has a melling oil pump. i also have a melling oil pump.

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Did you install a high volume oil pump??? Looks like it pressurized it.

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It scares me you just mentioned melling, because in the post "it finally made it down the track" which I posted the other day in this forum.The problem we had with my brothers car, was a year ago we had the oil pump fail on the dyno,pump bypass failed and we lost oil to the top of the motor and basically f***** the top of the motor.Had to roller bearing a new dart block, cam was fried, bent pushrods,cam bearings vaporized etc.Luckily we had a good tuner and he shut the car down before it totaled the whole motor.Motor has a billet pump in it now.
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I use Motorcraft filters too
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Motorcraft and wix are the same filters. I somehow don't think that was the filters fault though...

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Could you have possibly over tightened the filter?

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Motorcraft and wix are the same filters. I somehow don't think that was the filters fault though...

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Motorcraft and wix are the same filters. I somehow don't think that was the filters fault though...

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Motorcraft and wix are the same filters. I somehow don't think that was the filters fault though...

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pretty interesting...although I knew a guy whose son chewed through the backseat of his new Chevy Blazer on a vacation once....the guy asked the kid why, and the kid said he was just bored....
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You must have #### yourself before you knew what happened!!!

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i don't think its the filter issue now either... lol i still am ####ting my self now that the motor might have to come out again if my builder wants me to send it back.. im waiting to hear back from them today
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Way too much oil pressure.

I had that happen on a Dodge 360 that I tried to shim the oil pump spring myself. Get an oil pressure gauge on there quick. My guess is that you have crazy high oil pressure and if you don't fix it you can actually wash the bearings (They don't get lubricated properly) because the oil is pushing through so fast.

I was always taught that on a new motor you use a regular oil pump unless you have done something crazy to the motor. Save the high pressure for when you have a older motor that your are upgrading and plan on abusing.


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i do an oil pressure gauge already and its not crazy high press. its normal as of right now

but this is what my build told me

ok so my builder said that the pressure relief valve is easy to get to if the oil pan is off. they told me to take it out and see if melling installed it back wards. so im going to drop the k member soon and take a look. i have never seen one before so i took my stock one out of the stock pump to get a feel of what it should look like. here is the stock one how it came out of the pump

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ok motorcraft filters are not the same thing as wix. ive seen the cutouts of each filter

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Engine Oil Filter Study

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Long Lasting FL-1A

This is an interesting filter. Basically, it is a Purolator Pure One filter cartridge in a Purolator Premium Plus case. Don't be fooled by the differently shaped holes cut into the oil inlet. This is the only difference. This is a good filter design and if you want to get a Purolator Pure One filter, get this one instead: it is cheaper.
Like the Purolator Pure One, this filter cartridge features a very large element surface area (400 sqin), but with many pleats (64). This packs the filter together rather tightly and may restrict flow somewhat. I could identify the Pure One element media by a purple dye they use at the seam. It also has the mysterious assembly string wrapped around the outside of the element. Like the Purolators, it features a spring-loaded metal bypass valve and a nitrile rubber diaphram-type anti-drainback valve. The bypass valve is stamped right into the bottom end cap of the cartridge, so it is all one piece.

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ok motorcraft filters are not the same thing as wix. ive seen the cutouts of each filter
I would have sworn the wix and motorcraft were identical for my Bronco... but I may not remember correctly... and maybe it's different between specific filters.

In this study they are definitely different... oops

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ok so i dropped my pan and tried to get the valve out but it will not budge at all. the stock one dropped right out no issues.so im thinking that means its stuck closed?
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wix filters are the ones i run. i feel they are a very good filter for the price

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I used mobile 1 or k&n only as I have high volume pump. If you have built motor and high volume pump get what I use, don't cheap out and loose motor cause of filters.

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I run the summit dual filter remote mount setup. PowerFLo, K&N and Mobil 1. Get a small block and never have these issues...lol..jk'n.


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Bumping this back up. I was wondering if you got this issue fixed?

Did you ever find out if it was a Melling High Volume Oil pump?

While I spent time working at a parts store I learned about the two different types of oil pumps, one being a high volume and one being a standard. I was told that the High Volume pump would f-up a motor unless it absolutely needed to have greater output such as a turbo application or greater capacities....

Just curious because this is the first I've seen where this could be a possibility. The reason I'm trying to find out is because I've seen other people at the parts store try to sell a high volume pump as a replacement for a stock motor! id10t part store clerk would not listen to me because I had no reference as to this ever happening to someone.

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Ya sorry for not updating this post. Yes it was the melling oil pump pressure relief valve. It was sticking, when you take out the plug the valve and spring should just fall out the melling valve was so stuck I had to push on it from the top. Not even my strongest magnet pen could get it out. So MMR sent me a new pump and before I installed it I checked the valve and guess what.....that valve was stuck also so I called melling and gave them a ass chewing. I ended up using some very fine emery cloth and polished the valve and it fixed the sticking issue. I will never buy another melling product again!
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Motorcraft and wix are the same filters. I somehow don't think that was the filters fault though...
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