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How much power to outrun 600 crotch rocket?

Just wondering how many of you guys have rolled with or outran a 600cc bike? My guess is 500RWHP would get the job done in my 3100lb car.


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I've done it in my car. I'll pull on them from a 50mph up to 130mph (when I shut down, don't go into 5th gear). Most i've put down is 488/502 on 13psi on 93 pump. I only usually run 10psi. So that's around 440-450whp.


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If you trap 120 plus it's usually enough to take a out a stock or slightly modded 600. Roll racing of course. The faster you go the better.
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Well, I put down 430 and I don't think I can take on a 600 from a roll. Maybe I can.

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i pull stock ones easily with 532whp/630wtq

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I can pull on 1000's. You should see the look on thier faces.

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Depending on the year 600 and rider you will need to run close to 11.00,give or take.
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I took my buddies 636r ninja. At the time I was all stock.

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I took my buddies 636r ninja. At the time I was all stock.
Your telling me your stock PI Mustang took a Ninja 636R? Does not compute. Did you have nitrous and he had flat tires?


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Depending on the year 600 and rider you will need to run close to 11.00,give or take.
Not from a 60mph roll lol

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Not from a 60mph roll lol
+1... roll makes all the difference. If your not ahead at first by 120 they get sucked in and spit out.
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Not from a 60mph roll lol
If you call that out running,sure.
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Yea I figured 480ish-500 would take one down. I'm shooting for 600-650 one day!

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Yea I figured 480ish-500 would take one down. I'm shooting for 600-650 one day!
@ 618rwhp I was walking away from GSXR1000's like nothing ...

Even a Busa wouldnt stay next to the car ...

From a Roll it was even worse
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@ 618rwhp I was walking away from GSXR1000's like nothing ...

Even a Busa wouldnt stay next to the car ...

From a Roll it was even worse
What was the car weight?

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What was the car weight?

3380 #'s
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3380 #'s
Sounds like horrible riders at that weight. Thats my opinion though and of course I wasn't there.
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Depending on the year 600 and rider you will need to run close to 11.00,give or take.
This is everything!! I have had several bikes through the years, and a good rider makes all the difference..

When my 93 Cobra was making 550 Rwhp stayed side by side with a slightly modded 600 this was only a year ago, so call it a 08-2009 GSXR 600, they make pretty good power with the newer years.

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I have a hard time beleiving that a new model 1000 or Busa cant run with 600 HP car? Unless very scared rider or older bike.

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alot of newer liter bikes will run 9's in the 1/4 at over 140mph bone stock

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Sounds like horrible riders at that weight. Thats my opinion though and of course I wasn't there.
First not everyone is Ricky Gadson .. second from a ROLL ... that takes the launch out of the picture... GOTO the track .. a typical busa or 1000 with the "normal" rider will only trap 130-132 .. My gt was trapping anywhere from 135-141 ...

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alot of newer liter bikes will run 9's in the 1/4 at over 140mph bone stock
With a pro rider sure ... put the average guy on it they dont go better then hi 10's at low 130's

Not to toot my horn but my busa has run 10.40 @ 136 and im a decent jockey.. my buddy who I consider PRO material ran 10.18 @ 136 with it.. even with him riding I wouldnt be afraid of a 60 mph up roll on.
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I have a hard time beleiving that a new model 1000 or Busa cant run with 600 HP car? Unless very scared rider or older bike.

thats 618rwhp @ 3380 #'s at 693 flywheel hp the car traps 138

those bikes wont do that unless there is a PRO rider on them
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Im talking about from a roll on the street though.

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First not everyone is Ricky Gadson .. second from a ROLL ... that takes the launch out of the picture... GOTO the track .. a typical busa or 1000 with the "normal" rider will only trap 130-132 .. My gt was trapping anywhere from 135-141 ...

Bikes are my favorite to race for Cake ... put a regular joe on the bike.. and its like taking candy from a baby
I agree with this statment with my previous. Around here the liter bikes usually do better then 140 at spinworld, but a car doing 141 is plenty to take a 150 bike on from a roll as long as you go fast enough. Like you said at the end... everyone wants to think there bikes fast, because they "know how to ride". I've taken down a few 600's in my time with a 114mph 3v from 60 and up to 150. Should never happen. People are such bad riders by 120 the cars aeros take over and it's far to late.
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Last week I ran a buddy in his 98 Cobra he bought off of here a few weeks ago from florida and it put down 493rwhp on a local dyno jet that typically reads about 2-3% low. Stockish weight car with a few tubular suspension pieces and a ported eaton.

I have a 2005 R6 with 21k miles and all stock performance wise save for a Scorpion slip on.

We went from about a 50 roll and were just about dead even. I'm 235lbs myself though and a newer rider.

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If you can trap 130 you can probably beat a 600
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i pull stock ones easily with 532whp/630wtq
Yeah, I remember with my old combo comparable was 540/587 I could take out stock 600's I have come across built 600's and a good rider that was a good race..

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I roll out on stock litter bikes period. Nothing special about my combo at all. I put about a car on em in third from a fifty roll and another car in forth then I'm done Speedo says 140 that's as far as I care to take it on those roads in Mexico. Guy I work with has a tl 1000 and I whip his ass on the reg.

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I roll out on stock litter bikes period. Nothing special about my combo at all. I put about a car on em in third from a fifty roll and another car in forth then I'm done Speedo says 140 that's as far as I care to take it on those roads in Mexico. Guy I work with has a tl 1000 and I whip his ass on the reg.

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What is your combo?
BTW TL1000's are about as slow of a liter bike as it gets.
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With a pro rider sure ... put the average guy on it they dont go better then hi 10's at low 130's

Not to toot my horn but my busa has run 10.40 @ 136 and im a decent jockey.. my buddy who I consider PRO material ran 10.18 @ 136 with it.. even with him riding I wouldnt be afraid of a 60 mph up roll on.
LOL please quit tooting your own horn then......i guess going to the track 4 times on my 05 1000 makes me a pro?? 9.98 @ 141 AND thats with a 200+ lb rider suited up...lowered, strapped, pipe and PC

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I roll out on stock litter bikes period. Nothing special about my combo at all. I put about a car on em in third from a fifty roll and another car in forth then I'm done Speedo says 140 that's as far as I care to take it on those roads in Mexico. Guy I work with has a tl 1000 and I whip his ass on the reg.

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Sorry man, but the v-twin TL1000 is not even in the same class as an inline 4 1000.
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Sorry man, but the v-twin TL1000 is not even in the same class as an inline 4 1000.
Yea, those Tl1ks are about as fast as a 600 in the 1/4
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