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What turbo kit for a daily driver?

I currently have a 331 in my 95 Cobra with cast iron ported, polished, and cut for larger 2.02 valve GT40 heads. I daily drive this car between 15-25,000 miles per year. Is there a turbo kit that comes reccomended for 100K+ miles of daily driver use? Looking for 7-9#'s of boost after the intercooler. I'm looking for 450-475rwhp. I see a lot of people using the ON-3 Kit, but I'm curious about the longevity of the materials used in the construction of the kit. I cannot afford to be messing with exhaust leaks and bad turbos. Thanks for the input guys.

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I currently have a 331 in my 95 Cobra with cast iron ported, polished, and cut for larger 2.02 valve GT40 heads. I daily drive this car between 15-25,000 miles per year. Is there a turbo kit that comes reccomended for 100K+ miles of daily driver use? Looking for 7-9#'s of boost after the intercooler. I'm looking for 450-475rwhp. I see a lot of people using the ON-3 Kit, but I'm curious about the longevity of the materials used in the construction of the kit. I cannot afford to be messing with exhaust leaks and bad turbos. Thanks for the input guys.

I must absolutely keep my A/C. I already have a Griffen Radiator to keep it cool. I also have Quarter Horse for tuning.
Currently the sn95 kit is not ready just yet , but i can tell you, the other kits(same materials and turbo's) and have been getting beat on for a few years on customers cars and have not had a issue. yes there can be some exhaust leaks at first, but once its sealed up, you should be just fine.


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B&G, do it right the first time if you plan on keeping the car.

Brian is the kind of person you want helping advise you on your combo and once you are a customer he is always there to support you.

If you are going to flip the car or change setups again soon the China parts could make sense, otherwise go with B&G.

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If you are going to flip the car or change setups again soon the China parts could make sense,
way to trust a product there.. are you saying all the 2011 5.0 guys should go buy a new transmission? those are made in china too you know

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With that power goal why even bother with a turbo? I'd slap a vortech or paxton on and call it a day.

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I have a B&G kit and while it is a great kit I couldn't drive it on the street until I routed the waste gate back into the exhaust. If you are going to drive the car a lot get a kit that has a recirced waste gate or be prepared to do it yourself.
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We will have our SN kit availabe this week, first kits are shipping tomorrow. We have some build photos in the sn turbo thread I started if you wanted to check that out. If you have any questions let me know
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I bought a bg kit for my daily driver.. setup is in the sig.
Wastegate isn't THAT loud in my opinion. It only opens when you're getting on it anyways...

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way to trust a product there.. are you saying all the 2011 5.0 guys should go buy a new transmission? those are made in china too you know
yea, but they have to meet OEM durability and standards. and are produced by tooling produced in the USA.

pull your head outta your ass and think before you make a retarted statement.

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I daily drive this car between 15-25,000 miles per year. Is there a turbo kit that comes recommended for 100K+ miles of daily driver use?
100K miles on an aftermarket turbo kit?? I have seen factory turbo cars with cast iron manifolds crack with daily driving less than 100K miles. With 100K miles as your lifetime goal, I must tell you, be prepared to replace/repair headers no matter who makes them (B&G, Ponydown, Hellion, or On3). Also after 100K miles, you will probably be at least one rebuild into the turbo. You may be able to pull that kind of mileage out of a Vortech, I have heard they hold up well but not with a turbo, no way. The factory cast manifolds on my 87 Buick Regal T-Type cracked with less than 70K on the clock, just to put it into perspective.
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100K miles on an aftermarket turbo kit?? I have seen factory turbo cars with cast iron manifolds crack with daily driving less than 100K miles. With 100K miles as your lifetime goal, I must tell you, be prepared to replace/repair headers no matter who makes them (B&G, Ponydown, Hellion, or On3). Also after 100K miles, you will probably be at least one rebuild into the turbo. You may be able to pull that kind of mileage out of a Vortech, I have heard they hold up well but not with a turbo, no way. The factory cast manifolds on my 87 Buick Regal T-Type cracked with less than 70K on the clock, just to put it into perspective.
Well said. HP kills parts, even the best ones. Your engine won't last that long either.
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I have twin 38's, not sure if they are as loud as a large single.

If it is a street/strip car it may not bother you.

If the car is otherwise quiet it may be aggravating.

Pretty cool to drive a car like that as a daily driver. I think the coolness factor outweighs having to fix some parts every couple of years.

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I agree, I have daily driven my 2v turbo car for a few years but to me I liked the wastegate venting to atmosphere. Our 2v kits come recirculated and I welded the dp closed and made a dump tube for it. My 5.0 was a little louder when the wastegate opens than my 2v but almost everyone likes it that has rode in the car.
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100K miles on an aftermarket turbo kit?? I have seen factory turbo cars with cast iron manifolds crack with daily driving less than 100K miles. With 100K miles as your lifetime goal, I must tell you, be prepared to replace/repair headers no matter who makes them (B&G, Ponydown, Hellion, or On3). Also after 100K miles, you will probably be at least one rebuild into the turbo. You may be able to pull that kind of mileage out of a Vortech, I have heard they hold up well but not with a turbo, no way. The factory cast manifolds on my 87 Buick Regal T-Type cracked with less than 70K on the clock, just to put it into perspective.
Yes but BG has a 4yr warranty on all piping.So that would get you very close to the 100,000 mile mark.

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100K miles on an aftermarket turbo kit?? I have seen factory turbo cars with cast iron manifolds crack with daily driving less than 100K miles. With 100K miles as your lifetime goal, I must tell you, be prepared to replace/repair headers no matter who makes them (B&G, Ponydown, Hellion, or On3). Also after 100K miles, you will probably be at least one rebuild into the turbo. You may be able to pull that kind of mileage out of a Vortech, I have heard they hold up well but not with a turbo, no way. The factory cast manifolds on my 87 Buick Regal T-Type cracked with less than 70K on the clock, just to put it into perspective.
I recall one of the T-Types had some sort of design flaw that led to cracking but I thought it was a 400 grade header and not a cast iron manifold. I know of a few TTI kits on Mustangs with at least 100k miles on the plumbing. A turbo should last more than 100k, heck I have one turbo with 205k miles on it and still zero issues and another turbo with 160k miles on it and still zero issues.

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Yes but BG has a 4yr warranty on all piping.So that would get you very close to the 100,000 mile mark.
AHHHH, omg how much do you drive ?!?! lol
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With that power goal why even bother with a turbo? I'd slap a vortech or paxton on and call it a day.
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You may be able to pull that kind of mileage out of a Vortech, I have heard they hold up well but not with a turbo, no way.
Do all these 18 wheelers with 100,000 of miles run Vortechs?

I've seen destroyed Vortechs and turbos. And then those with lots of miles still chuggin on.

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With that power goal why even bother with a turbo? I'd slap a vortech or paxton on and call it a day.
Maybe the man wants silly torque for those 100,000 miles. He said nothing about wanting his tires to last 100,000 miles

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I think the torque with a Vorturd and a 331 would be plenty enough for a daily driver.

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True but a Vorturd at 5-8lbs is probably all that is needed to meet that power goal on that combo. Vorturds tend to not have any issues when at that type of boost level. Simple and easy way to the goal.

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100K miles on an aftermarket turbo kit?? I have seen factory turbo cars with cast iron manifolds crack with daily driving less than 100K miles. With 100K miles as your lifetime goal, I must tell you, be prepared to replace/repair headers no matter who makes them (B&G, Ponydown, Hellion, or On3). Also after 100K miles, you will probably be at least one rebuild into the turbo. You may be able to pull that kind of mileage out of a Vortech, I have heard they hold up well but not with a turbo, no way. The factory cast manifolds on my 87 Buick Regal T-Type cracked with less than 70K on the clock, just to put it into perspective.

Sure there are kits ... the TurboTime kit will get you 100K miles as its all 321 stainless with CNC 1/2" flanges ..

Not to mention it will make more power then ANY other kit out PERIOD.

Here is a dyno pull of a stage I kit .. on a heads, cam car ..
completely stock bottom end 16 psi entry level kit.

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629 rwhp ... 596rwft ... lifetime gaurantee on the piping .. what more needs to be said

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AHHHH, omg how much do you drive ?!?! lol
A lot!! Work is 100 mile round trip so about 25-30,000 a year.

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Sure there are kits ... the TurboTime kit will get you 100K miles as its all 321 stainless with CNC 1/2" flanges ..

Not to mention it will make more power then ANY other kit out PERIOD.
Thats a pretty bold statement.How does that kit make anymore power than the other kits?

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That is an interesting kit with regards to placement and routing, stealth without a doubt. That intercooler placement would appear to achieve less airflow vs. a front facing intercooler.

There is a history of stainless headers having cracking issues over time, especially on street cars due to the constant heat cycling and expanding and contracting. You will see almost all street kits use mild steel headers. If I recall correctly the Hellion fox kits have changed to mild steel heades even thought the rest of the kit is stainless.

If the thread owner here is going to drive 100k on a kit stainless may not be the best option.

Now, regarding the claim that this thing will out perform any other turbo kit...not sure how that is a justified statement...

My 817 at the wheels with a B&G kit and a set of out of the box trickflow heads and intake is way more then the 659 referenced above, although the 659 is a respectable number.

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That is an interesting kit with regards to placement and routing, stealth without a doubt. That intercooler placement would appear to achieve less airflow vs. a front facing intercooler.

There is a history of stainless headers having cracking issues over time, especially on street cars due to the constant heat cycling and expanding and contracting. You will see almost all street kits use mild steel headers. If I recall correctly the Hellion fox kits have changed to mild steel heades even thought the rest of the kit is stainless.

If the thread owner here is going to drive 100k on a kit stainless may not be the best option.

Now, regarding the claim that this thing will out perform any other turbo kit...not sure how that is a justified statement...

My 817 at the wheels with a B&G kit and a set of out of the box trickflow heads and intake is way more then the 659 referenced above, although the 659 is a respectable number.


First there is Stainless and there is stainless .. 304 is not what I use

I use strictly Milt 321 stainless and its .065 wall .. thats why there is a lifetime gaurantee on it ... which I have yet to see a 321 header crack.

you made more then 629rwhp with a totally stock bottom end on 16 psi with a 62-1 size turbo ??? that was his first pull with the kit .. he has about 6 more PSI out of it and still tuning to do... im sure it will eclipse 750rwhp if he wants to push it.

Show me another kit out that has taken a BONE STOCK 5.0 with just a turbo kit and run faster then 11.33 @ 124 ... that means ALL STOCK FROM INTAKE TO PAN !
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First there is Stainless and there is stainless .. 304 is not what I use

I use strictly Milt 321 stainless and its .065 wall .. thats why there is a lifetime gaurantee on it ... which I have yet to see a 321 header crack.

you made more then 629rwhp with a totally stock bottom end on 16 psi with a 62-1 size turbo ??? that was his first pull with the kit .. he has about 6 more PSI out of it and still tuning to do... im sure it will eclipse 750rwhp if he wants to push it.

Show me another kit out that has taken a BONE STOCK 5.0 with just a turbo kit and run faster then 11.33 @ 124 ... that means ALL STOCK FROM INTAKE TO PAN !
Well, I got nothing for you on that one. I don't think too many people around here intentionally build something that is a ticking time bomb.

Great academic exercise to see how far you can push a completely stock motor but surely one that will have you pulling the motor back out in a pretty short amount of time

Respectable power and times, but as I said before, not one that justifies a bunch of caps lock crap talking.

Just my $.02 and I will stop now because it is non-value-add to this guy's thread.

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Well, I got nothing for you on that one. I don't think too many people around here intentionally build something that is a ticking time bomb.

Great academic exercise to see how far you can push a completely stock motor but surely one that will have you pulling the motor back out in a pretty short amount of time

Respectable power and times, but as I said before, not one that justifies a bunch of caps lock crap talking.

Just my $.02 and I will stop now because it is non-value-add to this guy's thread.
Thats just it its not Crap talking its factual information

also I think the discussion of material differentiation and what makes one kit superior to another is exactly what the thread pertains to... its about the quality, construction, material, and results that makes the kits different.

I was merely pointing some of those differences.
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One with a homebuilt kit.....http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...topic=131828.0

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I believe I mentioned BONE stock .. thats MAF injectors etc etc

COMETIC head gaskets and a opened motor dont count

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The car I was referring to was a daily driver.. no suspension mods.. stock T5 with a stock replacement clutch... BONE stock everything but a turbo kit.
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I currently have a 331 in my 95 Cobra with cast iron ported, polished, and cut for larger 2.02 valve GT40 heads. I daily drive this car between 15-25,000 miles per year. Is there a turbo kit that comes reccomended for 100K+ miles of daily driver use? Looking for 7-9#'s of boost after the intercooler. I'm looking for 450-475rwhp. I see a lot of people using the ON-3 Kit, but I'm curious about the longevity of the materials used in the construction of the kit. I cannot afford to be messing with exhaust leaks and bad turbos. Thanks for the input guys.

I must absolutely keep my A/C. I already have a Griffen Radiator to keep it cool. I also have Quarter Horse for tuning.
If you want to take a 10 minute drive north from 35/820 you can come take a look at my BG on my car; a 95 Cobra with stock accessories minus air pump. Depending on where in Arlington you are it is a 30 minute drive.

Tomorrow is my car day and I will be home all day working on it.

Mine is not running so I can not comment on longevity of use but can on install tips and give you a first hand look at a BG kit on the car.

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