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For those thinking of getting an on3performance turbo kit Dyno Results!!!!

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more info of your combo please, nice numbers btw.


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tick, tick, boom!

Stock block, GT40 heads, Explorer intake, 67mm, 10lbs, 431HP 497TQ on 110 octane. 12.01 @ 123
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More on the combo

What turbo size? How much boost? How much timing?


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MLS Head Gaskets and ARP Head Studs

20 degrees of timing on low boost.

17-18 degrees of timing on high boost.


There are a number of 500 rwhp S trim cars running around on stock short blocks. I imagine this one will live for awhile.

MPT70 is on this kit.

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Maybe I will turn mine up one day! Looks like he is pushig upwards of 15lbs on high boost. I did the ARPS studs also, except I went with Fel 9333's.

I'm running 18* deg on 93 octane and 20* on 110

My tuner told me I should see 500 HP at 14lbs. Just not ready to push it just yet, good numbers by the way.

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Maybe I will turn mine up one day! Looks like he is pushig upwards of 15lbs on high boost. I did the ARPS studs also, except I went with Fel 9333's.

I'm running 18* deg on 93 octane and 20* on 110

My tuner told me I should see 500 HP at 14lbs. Just not ready to push it just yet, good numbers by the way.
I am sure you will just fine. Just keep the fuel to it and keep it under 6000 rpms. I am still waiting for my incon car to pop.

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I don't really think people's concerns with the kit is the power capabilities at all. Every turbo kit out there seems to be able to make great power. \

The concern I personally have with it (and I'm sure others as well) is the longevity of it and whether or not they keep the sway bar since some say they don't keep it and then the new one says it does keep it.

I'm not going to lie, the price of it is extremely enticing to me. and since my car is 95% street car 5% track time, but I'm not interested in buying something for my car that I have to hack the crap out of it just to make it fit because its not some race car that I don't care about what I hack up or whatever I have to do to make it go fast.

That's my 2 cents on it. Great numbers tho

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Hey Scout I have been watching o3p over on the turbo forums and there was a post over there somewhere that said his headers and i think the crossover were made out of mild steel now and that he moved the crossover around a inch to make sure you can keep your sway bar. But if you want a great kit at a good price that you know is gonna work you should look into B&G Custom if you havent already, I have heard nothing but great stuff about them and from the couple times I have talked to Brian he is a great guy to deal with. The problem I have with o3p is everytime I have seen someone do a build thread over there he is in the thread and watching it BUT when something goes wrong hes no where to be found and wont respond to that persons e-mails either.
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Good numbers as expected with most turbo kits. It looks like the wastegate is a bit small, as you are getting 2psi of creep.

I take it that was with race fuel? I'd venture to say with a standard tune (less timing)on 93 octane, you're typical daily driver is going to lose a good 20-30rwhp.

As for it living a while...it very well could do so, especially if it's a weekend warrior only. That's a ##### ton of boost to run on anything but a weekend warrior though.

What were the sae correction factors at anyways?


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As far as the sway bar, I remember that being a complaint about the original PTK kits and someone saying this is a copy of those kits. For some reason I seem to recall the sway bar could work with a PTK kit but you had to go to SN95 end links or some crap along those lines. I do find it funny people actually worry about that detail on a cheaply priced kit but back when the PTK kits were out no one seemed to care yet they were paying a ton more.

I ran 18lbs of boost out of an S-trim in my old street car and for 1-2 years without a single issue from the boost. I finally got rid of it because the seals in the S-trim kept blowing out. That was a setup using pump gas almost exclusively and no after/intercooler and actually no tuning aids(piggy back or custom chip).

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Good numbers as expected with most turbo kits. It looks like the wastegate is a bit small, as you are getting 2psi of creep.

I take it that was with race fuel? I'd venture to say with a standard tune (less timing)on 93 octane, you're typical daily driver is going to lose a good 20-30rwhp.

As for it living a while...it very well could do so, especially if it's a weekend warrior only. That's a ##### ton of boost to run on anything but a weekend warrior though.

What were the sae correction factors at anyways?

Mill house.

I will have to go to the dyno and and see what the correction factor was. I believe it was 1.01%.

This was on pump gas using 94 octane sunoco. The boost is back down to running off the waste gate. Looking back at the logs. timing bounces between 19-20 degrees. I ran the stock A9L timing curve on my incon car for 20,000 miles at 10-11 psi with aluminum heads without any problems.

This car is owned by a friend of mine from Florida who came up to Ohio get it tuned. It has the mild steel kit installed. Hopefully everything holds up for a long time.

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I will have to go to the dyno and and see what the correction factor was. I believe it was 1.01%.

This was on pump gas using 94 octane sunoco. The boost is back down to running off the waste gate. Looking back at the logs. timing bounces between 19-20 degrees. I ran the stock A9L timing curve on my incon car for 20,000 miles at 10-11 psi with aluminum heads without any problems.

This car is owned by a friend of mine from Florida who came up to Ohio get it tuned. It has the mild steel kit installed. Hopefully everything holds up for a long time.
So you’re running 20* total on nearly 12lbs of boost? Likewise with the 18* total with nearly 16!?! Running 26* total with aluminum heads is a walk in the park with 10-11 psi (I run 24* total with 8…but I’m playing it safe). Running 20* total with 12lbs on the stock iron heads without race fuel or meth injection IMHO is crossing the line. You’re basically retarding the ignition .5 degrees for every psi he’s running. If not for those MLS gaskets, I’d bet your friend would be popping a standard gasket REAAAAL soon. I see a new block and rotating assembly in his near future.

Did you tune the high load, low rpm areas with such aggressive timing too? What happens when he runs that tune in the hot & humid Florida heat with some 93 octane? Not to sound disrespectful....but that sounds as far from a safe tune as you can get. Sure it dyno’s well…but at what cost?

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So you’re running 20* total on nearly 12lbs of boost? Likewise with the 18* total with nearly 16!?! Running 26* total with aluminum heads is a walk in the park with 10-11 psi (I run 24* total with 8…but I’m playing it safe). Running 20* total with 12lbs on the stock iron heads without race fuel or meth injection IMHO is crossing the line. You’re basically retarding the ignition .5 degrees for every psi he’s running. If not for those MLS gaskets, I’d bet your friend would be popping a standard gasket REAAAAL soon. I see a new block and rotating assembly in his near future.

Did you tune the high load, low rpm areas with such aggressive timing too? What happens when he runs that tune in the hot & humid Florida heat with some 93 octane? Not to sound disrespectful....but that sounds as far from a safe tune as you can get. Sure it dyno’s well…but at what cost?


Not disrespectful at all. We talked about the florida heat and that some race gas should be added if he is going to be racing the car in the florida heat. I also have timing pulled back if the IAT's start to get out of control. No signs of detonation on the plugs. At least I could not see any black spots of melted aluminum. I think he will be just fine. A/F is in the low 11's

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Not disrespectful at all. We talked about the florida heat and that some race gas should be added if he is going to be racing the car in the florida heat. I also have timing pulled back if the IAT's start to get out of control. No signs of detonation on the plugs. At least I could not see any black spots of melted aluminum. I think he will be just fine. A/F is in the low 11's
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I take it my timing is too low at 17* on 12lbs?

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I take it my timing is too low at 17* on 12lbs?
Your timing is fine.

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Car runs amazing Brian, thanks again!!!
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Dont you have a 99 GT to run......
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Dont you have a 99 GT to run......
How am I supposed to run something that doesnt have a transmission in it??
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I don't understand why my car doesn't make that much HP. I make a little more torque at 13lbs but my HP is no where near that. I'm confused.

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I dont understand why my turbo car makes more hp than torque lol

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How am I supposed to run something that doesnt have a transmission in it??
He already got one for it
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I dont understand why my turbo car makes more hp than torque lol
I'm guessing its cause its a stock head cam car, and you would make more tq than hp with out the turbo. Thats awsome!

Stock mustang+1400dollar turbo kit= 10 sec mustang. Thats gotta piss alot of people off.
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I would like to know how the mild steel headers hold up!
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Cartech's been doin it for years. Along with other companies of course. Mild steel = fine by me.

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Cartech's been doin it for years. Along with other companies of course. Mild steel = fine by me.
Cartech switched back to mild steel so they could be more competitive with their pricing. What I find funny about that is they switched from mild steel to 304 stainless well over a decade ago because the mild steel was crack city on their fox body street kit.

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Hey Scout I have been watching o3p over on the turbo forums and there was a post over there somewhere that said his headers and i think the crossover were made out of mild steel now and that he moved the crossover around a inch to make sure you can keep your sway bar. But if you want a great kit at a good price that you know is gonna work you should look into B&G Custom if you havent already, I have heard nothing but great stuff about them and from the couple times I have talked to Brian he is a great guy to deal with. The problem I have with o3p is everytime I have seen someone do a build thread over there he is in the thread and watching it BUT when something goes wrong hes no where to be found and wont respond to that persons e-mails either.
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Cartech switched back to mild steel so they could be more competitive with their pricing. What I find funny about that is they switched from mild steel to 304 stainless well over a decade ago because the mild steel was crack city on their fox body street kit.
Don't say that! I don't want mine to crack! J/K

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