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2-step stick guys here? have questions

Hey guys, I've never had a 2-step but think I understand how it works and I think it would help my high-power stick car.

Does anyone here use one with a stick car?
Can XFI have any 2-step control?

I think I'd like to arm the system by switch (does it have to be a momentary?) and have it disengage when I release the clutch.
Does that sound right?
Any advice appreciated.
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I dont know about the XFI but I have the Mallory Hy-fire 6 with a built in 2 step. I have mine set up on a momentary button that also controls the line lock. The 2 step has a toggle so I can still use the button when doing my burnout and then switch it on to hold me at the line. I also have the corded buttons going into a 12volt acc. outlet so when Im not racing the button stays in the glove box. I did that more for the safety issue......My wife is a blonde.....enough said!!! lol


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For a turbo 5 speed, it is the way. Don't know about xfi, I use msd's 2 step wired to trigger off left horn button to keep right ready to shift quickly.
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For a turbo 5 speed, it is the way. Don't know about xfi, I use msd's 2 step wired to trigger off left horn button to keep right ready to shift quickly.
i also use the horn..
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I ran a MSD digital 6plus and could build full boost (10psi) at the line. I had to pull a few degrees of timing to get the full 10psi with it set at 3500rpm

I run a momentary switch and the clutch switch to a relay.. push clutch in,push momentary and 2 step is on... turns off once you release the clutch and dont come back on until both the clutch and momentary are pushed in together again.

its nice to have NO buttons to mess with, tried cruise control, windshield washer button and horn. this is much nicer and it dont put the car on the 2step between shifts like running it off JUST the clutch switch.

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I ran a MSD digital 6plus and could build full boost (10psi) at the line. I had to pull a few degrees of timing to get the full 10psi with it set at 3500rpm

I run a momentary switch and the clutch switch to a relay.. push clutch in,push momentary and 2 step is on... turns off once you release the clutch and dont come back on until both the clutch and momentary are pushed in together again.

its nice to have NO buttons to mess with, tried cruise control, windshield washer button and horn. this is much nicer and it dont put the car on the 2step between shifts like running it off JUST the clutch switch.
Excellent sounds like what I want.
Just to clarify, you hit the momentary switch, push clutch in, let off momentary switch and then hit throttle to get on 2-step then the 2-step releases when you release the clutch?
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Excellent sounds like what I want.
Just to clarify, you hit the momentary switch, push clutch in, let off momentary switch and then hit throttle to get on 2-step then the 2-step releases when you release the clutch?
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yep thats exactly it.. except for some reason I do clutch first lol lol lol..

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I've got mine on a momentary switch that is on my shifter ball. I used to use it for nitrous, but now its a 2step. I would like to run the switch in series w/ a clutch switch. I keep forgetting to let go of the 2step after I launch the car and then the thing falls on its face about 20ft out(hitting the limiter).

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Got mine going FINALLY! I only can build maybe 4lbs at 3000 rpms. Dont work to well on the street! LOL

Momentary push button using a relay and clutch switch is the only way to go. You push the pedal down, tap the momentary switch, floor it, then take off!

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any one could post a wiring diagram of the momentary switch, relay and clutch??


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Just did my car and works grate, thanks just what I needed. Now just got to get the nitrous to work like that.
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I'm wondering why these wiring diagrams that get posted always say no line lock...Doesn't anyone with a stick use a line lock and a 2 step? Strange...

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There is a really good thread detailing how to do a 2step using the stock clutch wiring and allowing it to release when you let the clutch out.. It uses a relay etc to make it happen

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There is a really good thread detailing how to do a 2step using the stock clutch wiring and allowing it to release when you let the clutch out.. It uses a relay etc to make it happen
Yes and that is how I have mine set-up. Both the 2-step and launch setting of the AMS 500 releases when the clutch come out.
I also have a line-lock but have no need to wire it with the 2-step on a manual.
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There is a really good thread detailing how to do a 2step using the stock clutch wiring and allowing it to release when you let the clutch out.. It uses a relay etc to make it happen
https://forums.corral.net/forums/show...highlight=step


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I also have a line-lock but have no need to wire it with the 2-step on a manual.
-J
whats the point of wiring in the line lock... in case the car rolls out and breaks the lights or is there soemthing else to it

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thats the only thing I can see it used for, I mean I guess u could use it for the burnout but......

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If you race on uneven starting line tracks some guys need it.
You can do a 3-step as a burnout rev limiter with the line-lock but I don't see the point.
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This is going to sound really ignorant. Please don't flame me.
How does a 2-step let you build boost? Does hitting the rev limiter act like an anti-lag?
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This is going to sound really ignorant. Please don't flame me.
How does a 2-step let you build boost? Does hitting the rev limiter act like an anti-lag?
It allows you to hold the pedal to the flooor and also loads the motor

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It allows you to hold the pedal to the flooor and also loads the motor
so the bypass valve doesnt open

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This is going to sound really ignorant. Please don't flame me.
How does a 2-step let you build boost? Does hitting the rev limiter act like an anti-lag?
It works by shutting off spark to alternating cylinders to maintain the rpm you set it for..which your injectors are still firing. Which all that fuel and oxygen is then sent out of the exhaust valve and into your exhaust system feeding the turbo. When that cylinder fires next time it lights off the fuel and air mixture in the exhaust creating a "false" load. Which the sudden rush of heat and exhaust velocity from the combustion happening in the exhuast pipe in turn spools the turbo! Very simple and effective...but if you stay on it too long you could damage some things.

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but if you stay on it too long you could damage some things
how and what?

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how and what?
Well since the combustion process is now taking place inside your exhaust system...which wasn't made to handle the extreme temps of the combustion process. It'll turn your manifolds cherry red in no time..which is rough on exhaust valves and guides. And depending on how far away your turbo is it could start to melt the tips of the turbine wheel. But in the Mustang world that would only apply to the guys running the low mount twins that bolt right to a exhaust manifold. Those of us with the turbo mounted up front wouldn't have to worry about that. But it is hell on headers and valves...after you trip the second stage light and load up on the 2 step that little bit till the last yellow comes on isn't long enough to do damage...obviously since tons of people have been doing it forever. It's just not something I would be doing all the time just to show some friends on the street since the chance you could be on it too long is greater.

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Thanks for the info. I have been hesitant to get a 2 step becuase I just ddint know all this.
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Thanks for the info. I have been hesitant to get a 2 step becuase I just ddint know all this.
Yea they work great...and no reason to be scared of one. Just play it smart and use it for what it's designed for.

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My common problem with my momentary switch, is i always forget to let go of it. I have done that so many times....Sooo aggravating...
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obviously since tons of people have been doing it forever. It's just not something I would be doing all the time just to show some friends on the street since the chance you could be on it too long is greater.

lol.. I know what ya mean lol it really sounds like something is gonna come apart.

with my car I can build 5-6 psi on just the 2 step and when I pull 4* of timing while on the 2 step it builds a full 9 psi. the more boost you make the worse it sounds lol

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not to thread jack but i have been looking at the msd launch master for mod motors has anyone ever used one of these and do they work good
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lol.. I know what ya mean lol it really sounds like something is gonna come apart.

with my car I can build 5-6 psi on just the 2 step and when I pull 4* of timing while on the 2 step it builds a full 9 psi. the more boost you make the worse it sounds lol
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