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FINALLY some good results!!!! Turbo 427

Here's the final numbers at 16psi, 16deg timing and 110 race gas. The dyno is off from the actual car rpm, this was actually pulled to 6000rpm, so all rpm is about 500 less on the graph:



This has been an almost 3 year project from the time I dropped it off to Team Z so I am pumped to say the least. No just get it to pass PA inspection and have some fun at True Street events.

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Is this going to have to pass emissions? or is that a non emission part of PA?
Amazing numbers anyway. You must be psyched to say the least.
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Um....damn. That thing is a beast. What size/kind turbo? That thing doesn't make max boost until 4500 on your graph and from what you say that's 5k in life, wow.

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Congrats! Awesome #'s, Awesome car!!!

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That's the numbers you were supposed to put down, long wait but well worth it, yes? NICE. What event are you doing first? we need to see that beast run. Well, at least I might be able to hang with ya til 3600.lol

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Is this going to have to pass emissions? or is that a non emission part of PA?
Amazing numbers anyway. You must be psyched to say the least.
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Its a manual trans/DR set-up on a non-loaded dyno jet so I'm actually happy it doesn't come in too early. Hell it was fun NA on the street and the delay might make me hook better at the track.

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That's the numbers you were supposed to put down, long wait but well worth it, yes? NICE. What event are you doing first? we need to see that beast run. Well, at least I might be able to hang with ya til 3600.lol
Thanks Terry, yes those are the numbers the math and my plan were hoping for, just took longer than expected. I'll make some shake-down runs at NMRA Milan and then plan on bringing it to PA and get it legal for True Street NMRA Columbus. Hope to see you and Julie sometime this summer. Her T-top coupe going to hit the road this summer? Car is coming along awesome buddy.
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VERY impressive. Great #s. Be sure to post up the track results.

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Let's see the beast, Turbo stang FTMFW.

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Good God! Congrats, those are some solid numbers!


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Let's see the beast, Turbo stang FTMFW.
Here's a link to a build thread Dave at Team Z Motorsports made:
http://www.hardcore50.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=44223
He's the man and did a ton of work to the car.

I will definitely update this with a dyno vid and some new pics and track results. Looking for [email protected] with driving to the track, wish me luck.
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My guess is the rpm on the dyno is correct and the rpm in the car is wrong. Should be able to verify it with some sort of datalogger.


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Here's a link to a build thread Dave at Team Z Motorsports made:
http://www.hardcore50.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=44223
He's the man and did a ton of work to the car.

I will definitely update this with a dyno vid and some new pics and track results. Looking for [email protected] with driving to the track, wish me luck.
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I think the MPH will be a lilll higher then 145, thats just me though!
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Great setup and awesome numbers man!

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My guess is the rpm on the dyno is correct and the rpm in the car is wrong. Should be able to verify it with some sort of datalogger.

Awesome power.
As far as the rpm goes, I was told that he was having problems with the dynojet reading correctly, not just on my car. He reved it to 6000rpm on the XFI and tach.

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I think the MPH will be a lilll higher then 145, thats just me though!
I hope not, I don't want a parachute yet.
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I'm assuming it's a dynojet but I had the same problem on mine. The rpm pick up just didn't work well on my set up. Didn't know if it was because of the MSD or not.

The graph had shifted to the left, artificially raising the torque value. The power number should be correct but your true torque value should be lower.
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Greg: Yes, its a Dynojet. I'm not sure on the torque being correct or not but according to my math (520hp/500tq on engine dyno break-in + 16psi) it's in the correct range.
I'm waiting to see what it runs at the track as that's what counts---I want at least 145mph at 3150-3200#.
The shop owner (check alternativeauto.com yellow coupe on right main screen) has gone 155mph with less power through a lock-up 4R70W.
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Looking very good!!! I would think you'll easily be over 145 with that
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I think you better start looking for a parachute. You should be in the low to mid 150's. I like my stroud, doesn't hit hard and easy to pack versus others.

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Damn that's impressive. If your post date is your dyno date you were there the day before me getting tuned....weird

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Greg: Yes, its a Dynojet. I'm not sure on the torque being correct or not but according to my math (520hp/500tq on engine dyno break-in + 16psi) it's in the correct range.
I'm waiting to see what it runs at the track as that's what counts---I want at least 145mph at 3150-3200#.
The shop owner (check alternativeauto.com yellow coupe on right main screen) has gone 155mph with less power through a lock-up 4R70W.
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Lidio does nice work. Here's the shop car J was talking about.

http://www.alternativeauto.com/water..._tropical.html



"Recently in the fall of 2008 at our Local ΒΌ mile drag strip -- the now Turbo’d ’88 yellow LX ran an unexpected; 9.30 @ 155mph with only a 1.62 60ft time!! This was achieved with the car exactly the way it is pictured and displayed in its web profile. It had the 18” wheels & tires all around, with the big 13” brakes up front too. Also this was achieved by simply foot–braking at the starting line.

This car does not have a “trans-brake” So it launched on absolutely no boost till she got out about 30 feet and then started to “come on” resulting in a mile-per-hour of 124 in the 1/8 mile. As mentioned in its current profile it has 18” Mickey Thompson drag radials measuring 305/35/18” in the rear.

Low nines were not expected on these 18” rear drag radials. Obviously a nice surprise!

Ordinarily we’d highlight a customer car in this section, but this time around I’d like to display one of my own Mustangs that’s gone through many performance and cosmetic changes since its birth in 1988. I won’t dwell to much on its history.

This Tropical yellow Mustang LX was purchased new by my wife in 1988 a couple of years before we got married. And thankfully we’ve held on to it all these years. The car was originally a 5.0L HO with a automatic AOD trans. And yes the interior and exterior colors are original. Although in 1999 it was gone through, and repainted, with also some light interior restoration, which really only consisted of new carpet and some other minor things.

After many different combinations over the years with the motor, trans, and Vortech blowers… The powertrain combination really stabilized in 1999 when it got a 392 stroked Windsor, TFS “R” heads, Lunati hydraulic roller cam, Vortech T-trim (20psi), F.A.S.T. EFI engine management, and a more modern AOD-E that is computer shifted by a stand alone BOX from Baumann Engineering. This combo essentially made 645 RWHP and ran mid to high nines in the ΒΌ for nearly eight seasons, in what appears to be a pretty tame, and very streetable Mustang. Then in 2006 some minor exterior changes where made like smoked head lamps, larger 18” wheels and tires, and large 13” Cobra front brakes and a rear disc conversion to match.

Later on in 2006 another big performance change was headed in this cars direction… I made the decision to go with a single 80mm turbo on the 351W stroker after being centrifugal equipped since 1993. The car was down for the turbo conversion for nearly two years and finally came together, and ran again in the fall of 2008. The entire Air To Air Intercooled Turbo package on this ’88 LX is a custom set up, not in any way a kit.

The stroked 351W motor combo (nearly 10 years old) was left entirely alone for now with the turbo set up, and for some initial results; this new package is up nearly 110 RWHP over the centrifugal blower. So as it sits for the fall of 2008 on only 17.5psi, it’s producing 752 RWHP through the AOD-E trans. Low nine second ETs should come with ease on 28 X 10.5 slicks, and I’m actually hoping for very high nine second ETs on the new 305/35/18” Mickey Thompson drag radial it now has on the rear."
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my friend went [email protected] with 850rwhp @ 3550lbs. so unless you run 7spi or get out of it at 1000ft (or both), you'll need to start shopping for chutes.

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lidios yellow coupe is a machine, i remember when it was 351 based /vortech and it would get driven 1000's of miles to events, race and drive home.
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Thanks for posting that Mark.

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lidios yellow coupe is a machine, i remember when it was 351 based /vortech and it would get driven 1000's of miles to events, race and drive home.
Yep, used to be one of the first cars in the BFG Drag Radial ads (they made it look more yellow for those). Anyway, the car is sweet in person, very well done and doesn't look like it will run what it does.

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Damn that's impressive. If your post date is your dyno date you were there the day before me getting tuned....weird
Car is still up there, picking it up next week
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I have always loved Lidio's coupe,especially now that he finally went turbo.I don't much care for the new wheels though.

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Nice numbers man! Looks like you aren't even working the engine or turbo hard.
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I'd be proud. Yes that screams that you are easing it on the dyno. Can't wait to see what it puts down at the track.
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Thanks guys, hope to get a dyno vid up next weekend. Then take care of a few small things and get it ready for the track first weekend in June.
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awesome !!! can't wait to see the vids.

A guy came over and started talking to me about the car. He asked what it ran so I told him 8.80's. He said, "No, I meant in the 1/4 mile."
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Track update after running it at NMRA Milan this weekend.

Only made 3 passes.

First pass Friday: 10.37 @ 140.5 on 7psi!

That was my first clean pass with the car and all I wanted to do was get it down the track. Drove through some tire shake with a 1.66 60' and shifted it easy just under 6000rpm. Felt good to finally get a clean pass and a 10 sec slip. I was surprised by the 140mph trap on 7psi. Decided to leave to watch Pens-Wings game 7, should have just stayed at the track.

Second pass Sat. morning: Kept the low boost, made some adjustments to tire pressure and tried a higher launch but it shook the tires harder and I got out of it and the clutch slipped when I hit second so I aborted.

Third pass: I knew I might have hurt the clutch and didn't want to hurt the clutch or any parts trying to launch it before I got a high boost pass. I plugged in the boost controller for 16psi and decided to leave like you would from a street light (2.29 60' ). I rolled into the throttle in 2nd and ran it out the back door to 11.37 @ 148.89! Man that top end charge was awesome! My brother said it layed a 100' patch in 2nd and made a small move left but it stayed straight and didn't get upset at all by my speed shifts (not power shifts).

Sorry no vids but I have a few pics I'll post later.

I have a good dyno vid but photobucket didn't want to load it again so I'll figure something out.

On a side note my brother averaged 10.66 in True Street. he drove it there and back, ran E85 on 18" DRs. He was hitting nitrous in 2nd gear but he didn't have a full bottle and it was done by the third run, mph went 132 to 131 to 129.

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After all that the car doesn't hook? You should shoot your chassis guy. hahaha Just Kidding! You have all the right parts and people helping you. Some suspension adjustments, you shifting like a mad man and you will have that 8 second pass.

*Edit* What was your 1/8 ET & mph?

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Thanks Mike, I just want a 9 on a real 5-speed and DRs
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60' 1.66
330' 4.51
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Thanks Mike, I just want a 9 on a real 5-speed and DRs
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Yea, It picked up BIG time on the back end! haha Get that thing to hook, even in the mid-low 1.5x 60', and you will have your 9 second pass. ON 7 PSI!!! That is nuts! HAHAHAHA

9's is cool. But saying you used the same stuff and went 8's would be bad ass. Will be interesting to see if the trans shifts ok at that point. Great to see the hard work, money and waiting is paying off well.

I dropped my car off Friday at my trans guys shop. The JW bell housing is not the same as a stock unit. It is longer. So the converter is short and pulls out of the pump. So Saturday the pulled the trans and measured every thing. They hope to have the converter corrected for this application, trans re installed and on the road by Friday. So real close. Will be on the dyno shortly after for a good base tune. Then back to the track for suspension and engine tuning.

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Thanks dude, good luck I'll look for the results.

Some pics and a vid when the wife gets off her computer .

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