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Question Oh no!! Oil and water don't mix right?

Okay all you smart turbo guys, I need your help!! I have a problem, no a major problem. A little back ground first. Months ago when a buddy of mine and I tore the 5.0 down I knew the Edelbrock heads were "O" ringed, and I swear the gasket that was on there was Fel-pro 1011. I even went on-line and asked around about what gaskets were recommended.

So when the block returned from the machine shop we slapped the 1011's on and I installed the 5.0, turbo, and everything else that needed to be installed so I could fire it up this Sunday. When I poured in the Antifreeze I noticed nice green liquid seeping out from between the heads and the block.

Yes the ARP heads studs, bolts and every other stupid bolt and nut are torqued down to required specs. The only thing I can think of right now is it looks like the "O" rings are hitting the block and not letting the gasket get sandwitched between the heads and block. In other words the "O" rings in the heads are resting on the block.

We all know what is going to happen if I start this baby up. Nice white foamy oil/water mixture in my new bearings, turbo, and every other nook and cranny. It looks like I have no choice but to tear it down once again.

So if the 1011 are not working with my "O" ringed heads, what gaskets do you all recommend that I use? Are there other threads on this topic? Or could you give me some engine building shop names that you trust so I could talk to them about my little problem?

I did do a little research just now and it looks like I should have used Fel-pro Loc-Wire O-ring head gasket Fel 1006. Any thoughts?

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i would say fel pro 1006!


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yup use the felpro 1006 gaskets.


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is the block machined to accept orings?
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Anti-freeze seepage

Did you coat your head bolts or stud threads with teflon sealant.That would be the lower bolts that thread into the water jacket where you seem to be leaking.

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That sucks. Ya, you def. need some o-ring gaskets on your set-up if the heads are cut for it.

One thing I have done in a pinch was, disconnect the oil line and primed the oil pump and let the old oil run that into a bucket and refilled with fresh oil into the lifter valley. It took about a case or two of oil but it worked and had no issues after that.
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Did you coat your head bolts or stud threads with teflon sealant.That would be the lower bolts that thread into the water jacket where you seem to be leaking.
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The block is not machine to accept but the heads are.

When we tore the 306 down every single ring was still in the groove that was machined into the heads. I wish I could have read what head gasket was used but they were toast.

I talked to a engine shop today that even had an article in MM&FF and they said I need to use 1011-2 which is a pre-flattened copper wire with a 0.39 thickness. I think I installed 1011-1 steal wire with a 0.41 thickness. So I will try those and see what happens. What I don't understand is why can't I remove the rings that are in the head now and use the 1006's? Maybe the new gasket rings won't fit with what is already machined into my heads? I'm just glad I did not crank the thing over.

I am 99% sure we used sealant on the ARP head studs that went through the water jacket. I will have to double check that too.

Good tip, I will do that if nec.

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When your heads are machined for receiver grooves (loc wires), the head gasket itself will have the wires built in. You don't use seperate o rings that squish into the gasket, those o-rings are way taller than the receiver grooves cut into your heads (.010) hope this helps.

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if the heads are o ringed 1006 if you had wire put in the head thats another story ???so witch is it???


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I used the Fel pro 9333's ??? cheap but had no problems yet.

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best thing i ever did was deck my o-ringed heads and ran regular gaskets.

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I used the Fel pro 9333's ??? cheap but had no problems yet.
9333-pt1 FTW. 1011's are not recommended for boost.

OP, the seepage is most likey from the lower studs. Did use teflon sealer on them?

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Pulled the driver's side head off and we did use sealant on the studs that are in the water jackets, gasket was installed correctly and it is a 1011-2 which is the gasket I was told would fix my problem. Well it didn't. It looks like to me these are "O"-rings, not sure what a loc-wire looks like and if they are built into the gasket like the 1006's than I have something different. Does anyone know the Fel-Pro tech line? Tired of spinning my wheels. I may just take it to my local machine shop, have them remove the rings and deck the heads and move on.









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Those heads have definitely been cut for LOC WIRE head gaskets NO DOUBT!!

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I used the Fel pro 9333's ??? cheap but had no problems yet.
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love those gaskets. I know of a couple cars making 18psi with those and zero problems. just a good tune.

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