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Best Entry Level Turbo System

What's the best entry level turbo system for a 87-93 fox body?


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plan on spending 5000.00 its just not "entry level" any more. if you want an exhaust to your cat back, fuel and maf, tune, and the head studs that you will need with boost and your stock heads.

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BG Custom turbo kit.
Everything you need and would expect from a entry level kit.
High quality and great service.
Around 2450 with the sale.
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Go with Bernard at Quicktime turbo. Im beyond anal with my car and this kit is ####ing awesome!!

Precision 67mm turbo, this and that.
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Is it difficult to change spark plugs & wires with a turbo kit?

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thats a bare kit.

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BG Custom turbo kit.
Everything you need and would expect from a entry level kit.
High quality and great service.
Around 2450 with the sale.
HUH ? your qouting the price for the kit without turbocharger

just call PSI man they are there in san antonio and can hook you up with a kit they have made over 720 rwhp with the base kit they sell using the base intercooler plus a t-70 upgrade.

and the hot parts are stainless with aluminum cold pipeing

and they can do your tuning etc.
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Is it difficult to change spark plugs & wires with a turbo kit?
Not really harder, just a little more time consuming to remove the
downpipe to get to passenger side plugs.

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that is the price with the base turbo which i think is Master Power t-70.
I would not say it is entry level because i think it can make power up to 1000hp .
But you have to get your own Injectors/fuel pump and wide band/chip /or stand alone to properly have it tuned

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quicktime kits are great turbo kits! and bernard is one of the best to deal with!


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I agree that there is no entry level, your either in it or not. I would never go with a supercharger again after having the turbo. With my HP kit I don't take anything off to change spark plugs.


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yeah there is no entry level better have extra cash for misc things you will need to keep it reliable ..IE: heat wrap for wires both spark plug and harness wires and other things you will find out along the way. take time i would def say way more involved than a supercharger install but def worth it in the end..SC suck

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I agree that there is no entry level, your either in it or not. I would never go with a supercharger again after having the turbo. With my HP kit I don't take anything off to change spark plugs.
how is your block holding up? I think i read somewhere you drove this car several hundred miles with no problems and got great gas mileage. Do you baby this thing or unleash hell on every street! Cause if I had your car little kids would hide and cry when i drove by!

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HUH ? your qouting the price for the kit without turbocharger

just call PSI man they are there in san antonio and can hook you up with a kit they have made over 720 rwhp with the base kit they sell using the base intercooler plus a t-70 upgrade.

and the hot parts are stainless with aluminum cold pipeing

and they can do your tuning etc.
That is with the turbocharger. Check BG Custom Turbo.
The others don't have a sale.
I bought mine for 2450.
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how is your block holding up? I think i read somewhere you drove this car several hundred miles with no problems and got great gas mileage. Do you baby this thing or unleash hell on every street! Cause if I had your car little kids would hide and cry when i drove by!
The block is holding up well, but I'm on my 4th clutch. Saying we drove the car a few hundred miles... how about
in 05 drove to:
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Centerforce Dual friction?

Stock block, GT40 heads, Explorer intake, 67mm, 10lbs, 431HP 497TQ on 110 octane. 12.01 @ 123
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That's what I have in there now. The problems with the last one(Spec Stage 3 plus) all started when I went from the GT-40 heads and Cobra intake to the Trickflow heads and Hogan intake. I hope the Centerforce works. Guess I could found out...


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what clutches do work well? hopefully i will have this problem soon.

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what clutches do work well? hopefully i will have this problem soon.
I am actually in the process of swapping my dual friction clutch out for a centerforce DFX. Supposed to hold 700 ft lb of torque. Alot of people seem to like the SPEC stage 3 clutches as well.

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that is the price with the base turbo which i think is Master Power t-70.
I would not say it is entry level because i think it can make power up to 1000hp .
But you have to get your own Injectors/fuel pump and wide band/chip /or stand alone to properly have it tuned
I thought the MP T70 was tapped out at 650 or so?

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the kit will make up to 1000 ...the turbo is enough to split a stock block. i would say the MP is good to 650-700 maybe less but that is insane on a street car.

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Just ordered my kit from QuickTime

Stock block, GT40 heads, Explorer intake, 67mm, 10lbs, 431HP 497TQ on 110 octane. 12.01 @ 123
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Just ordered my kit from QuickTime
Grats dude!
The wait begins.
Its going to be the longest weeks of your life.
Has been for me at least, a month has gone by only two weeks left for my BG kit.
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My bad, mine is the DFX.

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I thought the MP T70 was tapped out at 650 or so?
I was told the Masterpowers top out at 650HP

Thats why I up graded to the Precision 750HP

Cant Wait!

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Newt is a pimp. He took care of me very well even when it wasnt totally his fault on being back orderd from Tial. In my book, i will order everything and anything i can through him now. With him and kurgan, life is good!

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I was told the Masterpowers top out at 650HP

Thats why I up graded to the Precision 750HP

Cant Wait!
I think you would have been better off with the mpt70. Your running a 302 right? And Im assuming a 2 bolt block so you wont be seeing much more than 550rwhp?

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You could see more than 550rwhp.
Its just not recommended :P
I guess it was one of those things...plan for the future.
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I think you would have been better off with the mpt70. Your running a 302 right? And Im assuming a 2 bolt block so you wont be seeing much more than 550rwhp?
For now yes, a wimpy 302 stock block. I have plans for a Dart block build once I learn how to grenade my stock motor.

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For now yes, a wimpy 302 stock block. I have plans for a Dart block build once I learn how to grenade my stock motor.
I just ordered the same kit and I will be running it on a built 347 but stock block. I will be making around 550rwhp and more torque. I am not tuning for power. only safety. We will see what happens. I believe it is detonation that kills these stock blocks so hopefully it will last a while without beating the piss out of the engine and having a safe tune. I havent found one person yet who could explain to me how having 550-600rwhp on a stock block would manage to split the block as long as it doesnt have detonation or revving past 6200rpm. so get a tune and take care of the engine and it should last a long time. There are guys running 9s with stock blocks

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So your saying everyone above 550whp has a crappy tune and if they had a good tune none of those blocks would have cracked? Regardless of tune, 550+ is just asking to crack in half.
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I just ordered the same kit and I will be running it on a built 347 but stock block. I will be making around 550rwhp and more torque. I am not tuning for power. only safety. We will see what happens. I believe it is detonation that kills these stock blocks so hopefully it will last a while without beating the piss out of the engine and having a safe tune. I havent found one person yet who could explain to me how having 550-600rwhp on a stock block would manage to split the block as long as it doesnt have detonation or revving past 6200rpm. so get a tune and take care of the engine and it should last a long time. There are guys running 9s with stock blocks
There is no tuning for safety pushing that horsepower on the stock block. While detonation can certainly contribute to killing a block, the extreme stresses put on it from either a) extremely high rev's, b) extremely high hp/torque or c) any combination of the two are the leading causes of stock block death. The problem with the stock block is the extremely thin webbing around the mains. Cracks will propagate at the main bolt area and work itself through the webbing and eventually into the lifter valley. The loads that the main's see from the extreme cylinder pressures from both forced induction setups and high compression/rpm setup are simply to great. With every fire of each cylinder, the piston is forced down and the crank is constantly being pushed against the mains (in several directions).

If it was only detonation that was killing stock blocks, you would see a ton of guys blowing headgaskets instead of cracking blocks…and making far more horsepower safely. It's commonplace on turbomustangs.com for guys to split stock blocks and a conservative, safe tune without detonation. The block simply wasn't designed to handle the loads that were putting them under.

When your block goes (notice I'm not saying if), you'll be praying it doesn’t take out your built rotating assembly with it (which it commonly does). It's for that very reason a great deal of us stick with the stock rotating assembly and do a simple rebuild/refresh. A simple h/c/I combo on a stock block combined with 8-10lbs of boost is more than capable of block splitting territory.

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Yea, I have no plans but to learn the ropes with my turbo and my stock block. I plan on hauling it straight to the dyno shop as soon as i get it installed. With that being said how bad is it to drive with no tune? Is this a bad idea?

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you guys can say what you want about the stock blocks splitting. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Dont get me wrong I agree that it is the weakest link. But a safe tune and not beating the piss out of it can help the block last longer. There are plenty of guys running 500-550rwhp on the stock blocks with no problems. There are also guys running in the 9s with the stock block. I dont think the block will last forever at those power levels but there is no reason that the block should split with 500-550rwhp(with a turbo) if you arent over revving the engine and setup the engine properly. A engine that breathes better with HCI will last longer at 500rwhp than a stock longblock engine making the same power by adding more boost.

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