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Plugwire Hell on DIY twin turbo

For some reason, I just seem to have bad luck on my wires. First it was burning them. Recently I settled on these taylor spiropro wires that are cut to fit. I have had them on for maybe 3/4 of a year. I have not driven the car more than a few thousand miles.
Failed emissions with a 1200 ppm HC reading so I checked my wires.
Sure enough if you put a timing light on them you see missing flashes (not even). Also if you rev up and let the rpm drop, big blank spots. I put in some other wires temporarily and they do not do this. The taylors appear to be in good condition.
Could this be my crimping job coming loose?
Is the overall high temps in the engine bay ruining even fancy wires?

Temperature wise-since my headers fip up and they are the hotter than the downpipes, I was thinking of doing a new routing under the header and above the down pipe.
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The Taylors on my Camaro did the same bs. They are junk.


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When I asked the guy who tuned the car if the taylors were good, he said they are big.....
That sucks but at least its been seen before. What to get msd?
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I had issues with my MSD wires cracking after less than a years worth of turbo heat....to the point which when you pulled them the shielding slid off in your fingers.

I've been running moroso ultra 40's for the past year or two (cut to fit) and have nothing but praise for them. I will say that I myself had a shotty crimp job on a few wires...which I didn't find until I ohm'd the wires out.

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not to highjack, but threads like this make me glad i dont have wires

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I had issues with my MSD wires cracking after less than a years worth of turbo heat....to the point which when you pulled them the shielding slid off in your fingers.

I've been running moroso ultra 40's for the past year or two (cut to fit) and have nothing but praise for them. I will say that I myself had a shotty crimp job on a few wires...which I didn't find until I ohm'd the wires out.
Did you use a real plugwire crimping tool? or a wire striper type like me?
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Did you use a real plugwire crimping tool? or a wire striper type like me?
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Just a standard wire stripper (which has the built in crimping tool that doesn't work worth a damn).
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If I do it again (which I will have to) maybe I should buy the real thing. It was a crap shoot on the crimping for me.
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I have the Taylor 409s on my car with DEI 1,200* boot covers and had good look last summer. I was running way high EGTs due to un-metered air leaks. So hot that I cooked a VS Racing turbo blanket, but the wires held up.

I was a genius and forgot to hook up the #4 wire before I put the car in storage and left the boot laying on the trans, arced the #### out of the wire.

Now I'm stepping up to the Taylor 409 10.4mm wires.

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Some FMS wires would be fine. Grab some heat sleeves from Summit & put them on.

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FMS=crap

Try ohming them out. They ohm out around 2-5k ohms per wire. My taylors are 40-60 ohms per wire.

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try using some of that reflective foil shielding or tape
under the protector boots also.

Thats should help reflect some of the infra-red heat coming thru
the protector boots and cooking the wires.

Remember "infra-red" heat is not just a radiant energy but an
electromagnetic wave that can be reflected by a foil surface just like
any other radio wave.

Think of those new "ceramic" space heaters at Home Depot.
They use a flame to super heat a ceramic plate that then generates
lots of infra-red heat.

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Yeah, I will try some real boot protectors and maybe that tape as well.
It is true that the motorsport wires show a high resistance. Not sure if that is necessarily bad. It may be in the relm of plug wires, that difference is not significant. Not sure. My summit brand wires tested very LOW resistance as did the taylors.
Can wires be heat damaged without appearing physically harmed?
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Got up early and watched the wires in the dark. Plenty of arcing. That is after getting rid of the worst offenders.
Also my MSD "blaster" (arcer?) coil seems to be arcing internally or something. You look straight at it and can see two verticle lines of arc on the front of it. Nice.
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Got up early and watched the wires in the dark. Plenty of arcing. That is after getting rid of the worst offenders.
Also my MSD "blaster" (arcer?) coil seems to be arcing internally or something. You look straight at it and can see two verticle lines of arc on the front of it. Nice.
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MSD coils suck donkey balls.
It took me weeks and trip to the mechanics with their special ignition
diagnostic machine to figure coil was crap. Made spark, but was back feeding
all kinds of screwed up voltages into the system. MSD dizzy was a hunk of junk too.

Go Motorcraft or go home when comes to coils and dizzys

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I am sure I have my old coil still. I will put it back on.
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Pm me if you want some custom length heat resistent wire sleeves. I can make you some
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Running the same Pre-cut 90* boot Taylor Spirocore wires from like 2000' with a turbo setup and no problems yet...

I should probably replace them though. Going Moroso Ultra 40's next I think.


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I will try those Morosos too. The Notch is going to be my daily driver soon.
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moroso ultra 40's suck my ass. I had a new set turn into junk in 3 months on a N/A car with a 438 in it. These were also only ran at the track with no highway miles on them. Don't wast your $.
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So it looks like everybody has trouble with something-so nothings good?
Somehow I doubt that.
79sleeper-if your wires are working well, maybe you should keep them. This is an annoying game to be part of!!

I am wondering if my crimping somehow was affected by heat. The taylors seem like they are good quality. The hardest thing was getting good crimps. If you strip them a little wrong or crimp them not right, the ohm meter will tell you. But this case, it seems that the meter is not telling. The missing is not continuous. But it is there all the same. I'm calling taylor to see what they have to say.
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