Originally Posted by SteveC
I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but one tuner doesn't make SCT's capability any different. A chip is only as good as the information you put in it. And many people like to blame a tuner when it's the owner's mismatched components or mechanical issues. You have a Pro-M Bullet- that asking for issues right from the start and no tuner can make a ill-designed MAF work correctly. I'm not saying that is your problem... but that throws a huge red flag to me.
read: several tuners. Every one of them I've talked to really haven't been cooperative or helpful at the least (with the exception of Justin, when I can't get answers from him, he'll at least let me know he's busy).
The Pro-M helped. I have 2 stock Mafs, and one ProM. The pro-M does richen it up top, however, via wideband logs, does lean out my idle somewhat, which really helps me out.
I've had this combo for 6 months now. 3 tuners have looked at it, and its been to a dyno. Everytime it comes down to EEC calibration.
I've had the injectors removed and cleaned, no leaks, pulls perfect vacuum with no leaks, adjusted and tried many different fuel pressures, there's not a sensor on the car that is older than 4 months.
I'd say the mechanical and support side of the EEC equation is in good hands. Even my T4M0 processor is a 4 month old unit.
Don't get me wrong again, I'm not saying the product is incapable. I'm saying that its not without genuine competition, and appealing competition at that. I think that if the product had some more thought put into capabilities of the product for the EEC-IV cars, it would be much more appealing.
I am just giving my personal opinion. Most of my dealings are with the dealers, who really don't represent SCT as a whole, each one will be different, however, I see a trend that even went as far as the SCT forums, and a couple calls to SCT about the product just left me hanging.
I mean, 6 months ago, they were offering a free raptor with purchase of the PRP. So if you had a chip in a 1996, you'd get a voucher for the free datalogger (which has been noted as the best in the business), and for the same coin, if you had a EEC-IV, then you wouldn't receive the voucher. Just seems slanted if you ask me.
Yeah, this subject is a sore spot with me, especially since when I first looked into this, everyone said, oh yeah, it will have idle issues, but its the easiest combo in the book to tune, everyone has that combo (not literally, but yeah, its 90% ford parts, and the popular ones). Once I started spending money, things just went downhill. The local SCT dealer will dynotune it for $400/hr, roughly 2 hour estimate, but what good is that if the heads, cam, intakes cost me less than that, and its not factoring in the original chip?
I'd love to get a hands on look at the SCT PRP, I've seen the tweecer. I know the SCT includes a lot of info on each table that even the novice could understand, however, its like pulling teeth to get any good info on why I should go that way.