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I like it, I can imagine some odd options.

I hate reading car ads, the complete useless information they waste time posting infuriates me. I don't need to know a Lincoln has leather interior, or allow wheels, or AC, power steering etc. I only read some of that to identify special options or features, like the various option packages which do have names to identify them.

I want a blue 2017/18 MKZ with the 3.0T engine, driver's package(black grille and good looking wheels, plus a couple of the normal option packages, technology, stereo, convenience etc. The trick is the driver's package to find, dealers didn't order that much, but it reduces torque steer.


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A lot of times, dealers order/are sent “dealer stock” vehicles. Fox Mustangs are great example of that. If I had a nickel for all of them that have 245a or 249a package, I’d be rich. You can always tell the ones that are special ordered as they either have no packages on them with multiple single items, or they have extra items on top of the packages.

Meanwhile, got 2.5 window stickers down last night in an hour and a half. Got orders for two more today. If I can keep them trickling in roughly one per day I can keep it manageable. The thread I had get hit around a month ago about killed me. Had over 100 messages in around 12 hours. Still getting orders from that thread. That was in a fox key group on Facebook.

My next target will be a terminator group. Those are way easier to do. I can do those in 15 minutes. If I could get 40-50 of those in I could crank them out quickly.


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First camping trip since I got my tune in December. 10k# travel trailer.

Pulled like a champ. Shifting is spot on. It’s our favorite campground, and is 75 miles one way through the smoky mountains.

Got 10.5 mpg (normally around 9.5) and actually went a little faster than normal to boot.

I’m learning to “redrive” with the tune and extra power (added a Wagner intercooler at same time). I figure I’ll likely pick up a bit more mpg once I get the shifting strategy figured out and optimize my speed at various times.

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Nice work Richard - 10% under tow is nothing to sneeze at! Well done.

I helped a buddy of mine replace a failing t'stat on his 2011 BMW X5 turbo diesel. It's a common failure in the 100k mile range (110k on this vehicle). As with many new vehicles there's no temp gauge. However you can toggle through obscure instructions on the 'code window' and pull up operating temps. The t'stat fails open (fails to close all the way) and the vehicle runs too cold. Hurts fuel mileage. Loads up the particulate trap. Can cause the glow plugs to come on and then burn out because they're on too long. It is a royal pain in the ass to get to - 2 fasteners on an egr cooler so remote that we could only SEE them with a mirror and it has to be removed to get to the t'stat. Also replaced the water pump while in there. Operating temps went from 82C up to 92C. On the trip back to Charlotte (we did the work at his lake-house shop in N. GA) running 75-80 mph on I-85 we knocked down 30-31 mpg. He said he had been seeing 25-26 mpg on trips before. But for a 5000 lb. AWD SUV, 25-26 is pretty impressive; 31 even more so. Got a feeling if we set the cruise on 67 mph or so, we'd have seen 35 mpg. And the week before he hauled his Jag XK-E down to Amelia Island - open double axle trailer and car probably 5500 lbs. Got 19 mpg on the round trip - BEFORE we fixed the t'stat. I was duly impressed with the diesel - 420 lb-ft of torque, 240 HP 3.0L six. What a blast to drive - thing runs like a scalded dog. I've driven that same engine in a 3-series - an even hotter scalded dog.

I pulled out my 16 year old Sony head unit in the Volvo and replaced it with a contemporary Sony unit. Same size; easy to mount using the existing hardware. And wiring colors the same - just soldered up 11 connections on the new plug to my existing wiring. Man - what an improvement. Twice the RMS power - and I have high quality Polk Audio and Infinity speakers that can take the juice. Fabulous sound. And I can get to music on my phone via Bluetooth or USB port. Daddy's happy.

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The modern diesels have truly come a long way. Very nice numbers indeed. Not as good as my geo, but good enough. :-)

51.2mpg on the geo over 5000 miles/26 weeks. Should continue to improve over the summer months since doesn’t take as long for engine/fluids to get warm. Course I’ll be running AC, which feels like dropping an anchor out the back when it comes on.

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Yeah -- I'm afraid, however, that VW's shenanigans went along way to ruining it for passenger vehicle diesels.

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Hard to beat a modern head unit and power. You would probably be pleasantly surprised with a speaker replacement as well. Speakers tend to lose some range as they age. It’s always hard to tell since it’s very gradual.

Put the Kicker “sound stage” system in my sons truck that we got him for Christmas a month or so ago. It’s a 600w total system, digital signal processor, plug and play specifically for 2011-2014 f150’s. Same system I put in my truck four years ago.

It all runs at three ohm, and speakers are as well. I upgraded the supplied locker door speakers which were average, with some high end infinity pieces. In fact, his infinity door speakers are a step up from my infinity pieces (6x9 in all four doors ).

The plu and play is very nice, as it comes with a powered sub, plus another amp that goes under the dash to power the door speakers.

It hits pretty hard, but more important it’s very clean and clear.

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Michael, am I correct in remembering you like running 192-195F thermostats?

I am going to try one this weekend. Over the winter my Coupe wouldn’t get warm enough to put out hot air to keep the tiny inside area warm over a 25 min drive to work.

New Contour dual fan replacing my 20 year old dual Spal fan as well. Contour was FAR cheaper and rates very well.

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I guess I'd say I'm a fan of running the appropriate t'stat for the vehicle. Perfect world - you want the coolant as warm as you can have it and still manage detonation; and the intake air as cold as you can get it under all circumstances. Oil temps - 210F-240F. Having to re-orient my thinking - the LS engines (most modern engines) have the t'stat on the INLET instead of the outlet. So the t'stat temp no longer correlates with the temp of the coolant leaving the engine. The LS3 has an OEM 187F t'stat on the inlet. Outlet temps are in the 196F-197F range.

What I struggle with is people putting a lower temp t'stat in to try and cure overheating. LOL. If the cooling system won't reject enough heat to keep the system at a 180F t'stat temp ("....mine is always heating up to 220F and then I shut it off...."), how is it going to reject the EXTRA heat needed to get the temp down to a 160F t'stat set point?

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Colder temps for coolant will produce more power in performance applications, stock engines I think it's insignificant. That's why race cars ice down their intakes etc, to get the whole engine cooler, not just the incoming air. For street vehicles it matters what capacity of cooling there is. If a vehicle can't easily maintain temps with a stock thermostat, then the issue is everything but the T'stat. The Fox Mustangs are well known to not cool well, mainly due to the lack of openings for the radiator. The grille area is tiny, very very small, so changing radiators and T'stats doesn't have that much affect.

I mistakenly(I think) have a 160 T'stat in my 98 Explorer right now. I thought I installed a 180* unit, but the temps suggest I'm way below that. I have just enough heat for Winter, but I'd prefer another 20* of coolant temps.

With a proper electric fan(reliable controller), you can adjust the coolant temps easily, above the thermostat rating. If everything is right, you should be able to install a 160* unit, and set the fans to come on at anything you prefer, 180*, cooler in Summer, warmer in Winter etc. It just needs to be high enough for the PCM's expected sensor inputs, so it stays in closed loop, and doesn't throw a code.


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Colder temps for coolant will produce more power in performance applications, stock engines I think it's insignificant.
It's an old wive's tale Don. Thermodynamically, the hotter you can run the coolant and block -- the less heat from combustion can transfer into it -- which means more heat/expansion is available to push down on the piston. Having said that -- again, it's about managing detonation. Often, especially with boost and pump fuel, keeping the engine cooler helps minimize detonation allowing more boost/timing = more power. However, if fuel with high enough octane/evaporative cooling were available (like alcohol, E85 or natural gas) to manage detonation, then even more power is realized with higher temps. There's a reason you see NASCAR guys running lap after lap with just barely enough tape off the grill to keep coolant in the 250F-270F range (steam coming out the vent). IF you can manage detonation - the more heat in the motor, the more power you can make. This article does a decent job of explaining it -- Colder Thermostat Increase Power - Fact Or Fiction - Import Tuner Magazine .

Watch the F1 guys - they PRE-HEAT engine coolant, oil and tires before taking to the track for qualifying -- they don't "ice". Most 1/4 mile guys are icing because they saw someone else icing. LOL. Back in carbed days, "cool cans" and icing were used because latent engine heat would boil the fuel in the carb bowls/fuel lines between rounds and vapor lock would shut the party down. Some still do it - the primary benefit is cooling down the intake air path.

Some folks wil run cooler to manage detonation -- but there's more potential for power by managing detonation with octane -- and letting the temps rise. It's thermodynamics -- no way around it.

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I'll think on it more, but the detonation issue and reduced timing from higher heat is what drives most actual engine combinations. All you said is true, but the effect on timing is bigger in real life than the potential gains from higher heat. OEM applications are well balanced combinations, while custom self built cars are random combinations. I think the goal should be reasonable manageable high temps, which is tough for some combinations.

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Wow great discussion. I’ve run a 180F for decades. The DCC controller is helpful yes. No issues with detonation even with 89 octane here- never tried 87. I inspect my plugs with a jewelers loop too.

If the coolant is hotter (195) then it should be able to transfer more heat out in the summer than a 180F assuming the system can handle it. Temp differential is higher, right?

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Ambient to coolant delta T is bigger; combustion temp to coolant delta T is smaller.

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Aaah good point. Hadn’t considered that other difference.

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Edelbrock polished water pump has been rebuilt, 195F thermostat is in. DCC sailed up to just over at about 198F. New Contour efans on. So far so good.

Dash gauge system at times says 206F from the lower intake position.

Air temps thru the radiator show 170F on the hot side and 140F on the cold side.

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Data is a good thing.

"Aaah good point. Hadnít considered that other difference." That other difference is what allows for the potential for more power with higher operating temps -- less heat transferred to coolant means more heat is available to work on the piston.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Visit at least once a year. Nice to see the Parkway finally open!


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Very nice, love the car and the scenery.

There is a car show coming into town this week in Pigeon Forge, traffic began this weekend.

Try the new parkway that opened up late last Fall, it runs 14 miles from up Wears Valley, to Townsend I believe. It's a spectacular view made just for site seeing, no off ramps and side roads etc. They've been working on it for decades, and they finally got funding a few years back, to finish the tough parts.

I was delivering mail far up Wears Valley until February, that parkway begins at about the 3700/3800 block of Wears Valley. My route began just passed the access ramps to it, on the 3900 block. I passed under that parkway six times a day, back and forth under three bridges of it. I plan to go see it later this year.

I now do the first part of Wears Valley, from 130 to 1479, I turn around at Walden's Creek.

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What are the implications of driving a DPS marked 5.0L on the street re: impersonating an officer? Love the car!

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That '86 reminds me of my first mustang the '86 convertible. Mine was jalapenos red and the same red color interior, same white top. I now hate red! Red overdose. I sure loved the Cobra R's when they came out. All of what you need and nothing of what you didn't. Interesting undercarriage pic as it had the X brace under the engine that my 'vert had. I'll never have a 'vert again either. Durned top would age and embrittle just looking at it. And so blasted expensive to replace. Creased when folding it just a few times when new..... Gggggrrrr....

So, $27k MSRP new on the Cobra R minus markups. Selling for $60k plus today, 25 years later. Would an original buyer make money that way? 3% annual, compounded... doesn't look like a money maker to me. Poor investment unless it goes for more than this current price?

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Almost all cars are so poor of an "investment" that they shouldn't be called that. People that make money at it are good at finding them and buying them 'well' and then flipping them quickly. Those show decent returns. To put this into perspective - I ran an I.R.R. calculation of my buddy's Ferrari - allowing for a zero purchase price in '85 and investing $30-$40k over the decades in transportation, storage, paint, mech work. Even at a $500,000 valuation today, the internal rate of return was something that was do-able in the stock market.

Moral of the story? Buy them because you love them. Work on them. Drive them. Enjoy them. If you happen to not lose too much money on them - icing on the cake. If you actually make money - consider yourself lucky. If you actually earn a decent return - consider yourself VERY lucky.

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I typically cover the Trooper markings up. I donít want any trouble.


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There is a car show coming into town this week in Pigeon Forge, traffic began this weekend.



Try the new parkway that opened up late last Fall, it runs 14 miles from up Wears Valley, to Townsend I believe. It's a spectacular view made just for site seeing, no off ramps and side roads etc. They've been working on it for decades, and they finally got funding a few years back, to finish the tough parts.



I was delivering mail far up Wears Valley until February, that parkway begins at about the 3700/3800 block of Wears Valley. My route began just passed the access ramps to it, on the 3900 block. I passed under that parkway six times a day, back and forth under three bridges of it. I plan to go see it later this year.



I now do the first part of Wears Valley, from 130 to 1479, I turn around at Walden's Creek.

Thank you, sir! And oh yeah... 100%. Was always disappointed when we would drive by and the gates were closed lol.

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I loved those special editions in ‘92. Seven up green was a good one too.

Guys what do you recommend for the underside of the. Coupe roof? Doing headliner and this is the perfect time to peel and seal or something else. Thoughts??

Also hope to get this other goop off the roof if I can. Don’t want to mess up the sheet metal with scraping. Maybe plastic bristle brush. But if it doesn’t come off easy I’ll likely leave it.

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How come I can’t post pics? Maybe a link to other thread then.

https://www.corral.net/#/topics/2489666

Also doing coupe quarter windows. They are getting bad.


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Hmmm.....links didn't lead anywhere that seemed related to your post Chris. I guess Dynamat.

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Hmmm, maybe the link only works in my phone. Well the pics are on the General Mustang forum if interested.

I am considering peel and seal from Lowes. It’s rumored to be quite like dynamat. Boy the fiber mat that was up there just disintegrated when I pulled the headliner down today. Fell everywhere.

Likely getting some LG1 Corbeau seats. I sat in some in Bristol and was amazed.

Work going well so I may celebrate and do some of this work.

My latest efforts are progressing well. The idea came from a higher source but I am the tool used to get it moving. Best time I’ve had in any career!

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/design-a....com/RapidCast

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Saw the casting link - tell us a bit more about what you're actually doing/working on and who for?

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I design new shell systems for foundries to make their castings faster, cheaper etc.

This new idea was unexpected but immediately upon putting patterns into it I knew I had something special. Basically builds the shells twice as fast as anything out there.

I have some other ideas I am working on as well and even more out of the box. It’s been a fun time lately. We are going after international parents on five new applications.

Living in such a great area, working with such great folks.... it’s been such a blessing.

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Congrats Chris!

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