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post #1 of 14 Old 03-02-2007, 03:53 AM Thread Starter
 
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3.8 hp and times

i just got a 96 mustang 3.8 auto.
i haven't decided yet if i want to do 5.0 swap or stay v6
if i stay 3.8 i want to do
spray 100 shot(not sure if stock fuel system will hold that)
gear/rearend swap
underdrive pullys
intake exhaust
i know very little about modding a 3.8, so any and all suggestions will be helpful!
what 1/4 mile times would i be able to run with this kind of setup?

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you can do a few things, you could get the motor out of a tbird supercoupe and swap that in with the eaton ontop, you will get 200 rwhp and 300 rwft.lbs of torque, should be done for under a grand and you will run 14 flat with stock rubber and gearing, you could swap in a 4.2 out of a ford f150 and get 225 hp but 255 ft.lbs, or just go balls to the wall and get a tmaturbo.com turbo kit.

dont swap in a 5.0, its not worth it


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dont swap in a 5.0, its not worth it[/QUOTE]

How can you possibly sit there and say that..
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hes going to do motor (+ all accessories), tranny, guages, driveshaft, rear end, the stupid key chip and god knows what else for how much money and only 180 rwhp? he can pull a tbird suprecoupe motor and drop it in and everything will bolt right up, put out 200 rwhp and 300 rwft.lbs of torque for $400 + $100 for GT take off duals and run 14 flat, or he can drop in a f150 4.2 and reuse his upper intake manifold from the 3.8 and get 225 HP and 255 ft.lbs of torque, also for about $400

dont get me wrong, the 5.0s are good motors, there just inferior to the 3.8, and its one of fords best kept secrets to that, its a shame that the hardcore stang guys havent accepted it because "its only a V6"

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dont get me wrong, the 5.0s are good motors, there just inferior to the 3.8
really? In what way?
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dont swap in a 5.0, its not worth it
How can you possibly sit there and say that.. [/quote]

Matt at Delk performance runs a T-72 single turbo on a V6 95 stock block
makes over 600RWHP I don't think anyone would try that on a stock 5.0 block. He also runs a 9 second quarter mile .
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ford loosly copied buicks 231 GN motor, but made the block on center and made it with very thick mains, they loosly modeled the heads off teh cleavland 2V heads, in turn stock split port heads make E7Tes look like boat anchors and flow about as good as GT40 heads.

as stated matt at delk is running 600 rwhp on a stock block but he also uses a stock f150 crank, which is reallly just to stroke the motor to 4.2L


http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar90134.htm

how often do 5.0s flow this good?
http://3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181471

matts set up
http://www.v6power.net/vb/showthread.php?p=216790

here is justin starkeys set up, he runs vmp tuning, it is a 100% stock block crank, heads, cam and internals, he runs 14 psi for DD on premium fuel 430 rwhp, at the track he runs 17 psi on race gas and makes a tad over 450 HP
http://v6power.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36444

stock 5.0s wont hold 450 HP at all, never mind a complete 100% stock motor

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they loosly modeled the heads off the cleavland 2V heads, in turn stock split port heads make E7Tes look like boat anchors and flow about as good as GT40 heads.
Thats like saying the Kaase/Jegs heads are copies of cleveland heads, just because it is "angled" (not even truely canted) doesn't really mean anything. Are the valves sitting at the same angle? I think not . . .

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Matt at Delk performance runs a T-72 single turbo on a V6 95 stock block
makes over 600RWHP I don't think anyone would try that on a stock 5.0 block. He also runs a 9 second quarter mile .
Barry D at proline used to go through stock blocks before figuring out what to do and how to run it.

He eventually went 133+ through the 1/4 with box stock twisted wedges, tfs stage 2 cam, and an incon twin t3/t4 kit.

He did numerous times with 88-92 blocks and did it once or twice with some 95 blocks for the "hyperru-junktic" people.

Point is, whenever you deal with people who are grouped into certain sections they get defensive over their setup/motors/cars/what have you. To say the 5.0 is "inferior" is somewhat focusing on your bias. If the guy wants to put in a 8.2 motor it isn't a step down. Personally I would rather have the inches but to each their own.

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stock 5.0s wont hold 450 HP at all, never mind a complete 100% stock motor
Go check Hellion's website. Quite a few BONE STOCK cars making 450 to the tires.
It is all about the tune and how hard you push it for how long.

A friend of mine is putting together a stock longblock 302 in a fairmont with a single 76mm, I will let you guys know how it turns out.

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I hear you , to each his own , a couple of V6 guys including myself like to try to push the little 232 engine to see what we can get out of them . Suprisingly 2 years ago 400rwhp was deemed as the ultimate goal for the 3.8 , then someone thought about stroking one out to a 4.2 . We can get good pistons and rods but the cranks we use are the stock steel crank from the 4.2 F-150 and there are no aftermarket blocks either .So there is no just open up the Jegs book and whip out the credit card for us .
I am in the process of mounting an F-1 Procharger to my new 4.2 stroker and hope to make some nice gains I should know something in about a week or so.
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problem is i cant find a SC motor anywhere yet!
is the 4.2 a direct bolt in or will alot of mods need to be done!

im kinda new at this v6 thing, been into tuners most time so no im not going to buy worthless parts for this car-thus reason im doing research before i even start buying things!

would like to keep it a v6 but just wanting to get an idea of power to money ratio!

i dont agree with 5.0 not being worht it, and its not that i dont like the 5.0 motors just wanna catch people off gaurd when they see a v6 run with or blow away a 5.0!

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Its a direct bolt in if you get the whole motor you just swap your heads over, the short block is the same . Now if you want to build it up you can get forged pistons and rods and then get the heads and intakes ported along with a nice cam and you will be all set to go.
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302 mexican blocks can handel a little more then 450, unless its a dart, cant really do much more without a shift and cracking the block in half, so far the 3.8s been up to 800HP or so, stock block and crank, no one knows what it is truely capable of, its believed its capable of holding the majical 1000 HP mark on stock block and crank, just no proof as no ones done it, build a 450 HP stock 5.0 block and crank and a 450 HP essex and see which motor will last longer, wont be the 5.0 also, everyone and their grandma has built a 5.0, how many built v6s do you see running around?

agian, 5.0 is not a bad motor, its just not the god send everyone makes it out to be,

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exactly my point, i go to car meetings and if its not a tuner it a 5.0 mustang or a camaro!
never see any one besides tuners do anything crazy, so i got this mustang for practially free so i wanna try to be unique with it!
thanks for the advise from both the v6 guys and 5.0 guys!!
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302 mexican blocks can handel a little more then 450
The reason why I quoted you, and this statement, is that you are an internet racer. You make statements, which you present as facts, based on simply what you have read on the internet which are more than likely someone's friend's friend story or total BS. This is what "the corral" is notorious for.

Case in point, the car I had brought up before.
90? hatchback, stock motor with box stock twisted wedges, TFS stage 2, cobra intake, incon twin t3/t4 kit, AOD. Went 133 through the 1/4 numerous times with stock shortblocks. Not too sure how many he went through but know that they can take more than 450hp for quite awhile before letting go if you keep the RPMs down.

So to reply to your quote.

That is complete BS. Not even including the hatch, many people in the 80s used to run them because that is all we had back then. Mark Harwell went some 8s at 170+ in an old outlaw type car that was sponsered by KFC awhile back with a mexican block.

Fast forward a bit and Barry D. ended up building a 352" using a mexican block (4.060", 3.4"). With the same stock twisted wedge heads, same TFS cam, same incon kit, same AOD the car ended up making a 9 second pass at 142.
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