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95 Supercoupe engine into 2002...Will transmission hold up?

I am planning to drop a 95 Thundebird Super Coupe engine into a 2001 or 2002 mustang 3.8L. Question, it the stock transmission in the Mustang going to hold up to the Supercoupe power?

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Yes it will hold it. Any tranny after 1997 can hold 450 all day before you have to get a built one.


Typical 97 vert with 8-point roll bar.
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yeah you should be fine.


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ANYTHING can and will break even with low power..just take care of it and dont beat the piss out of it. Dont forget about a limited slip diff for the rear.

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yea it will hold but it a supercoupe motor is a single port introduction, a 2002 is split port, so you either need to swap in a 94-98 motor (baseline HP is about 40 LESS on a single port and automatically fail SMOG if you have it) or Supersixmotorsports now has an adapter to put an m112 off of a 03-04 cobra on the split ports, if you go over to 3.8 mysteed has the whole kits for $2800

dont forget the rear end, no ford parts, your going to need a detroit true trac or an eaton LSD

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The transmission should be fine but I would put a J-Mod on it just to be safe. It will make your car faster, and lower the transmission temperature, which will prolong its life.

Also, like said, generally going single-port is a step backwards, even with the supercoupe engine. I would look in to the M112 kit as well.

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The transmission should be fine but I would put a J-Mod on it just to be safe. It will make your car faster, and lower the transmission temperature, which will prolong its life.

Also, like said, generally going single-port is a step backwards, even with the supercoupe engine. I would look in to the M112 kit as well.

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I second that. Get the M112 Kit. You'll make a ton more power without going to an older engine. After that Get the Jmod , tuner , and also a transmission cooler. That should take care of the tranny!
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The transmission should be fine but I would put a J-Mod on it just to be safe. It will make your car faster, and lower the transmission temperature, which will prolong its life.

Also, like said, generally going single-port is a step backwards, even with the supercoupe engine. I would look in to the M112 kit as well.

-Thomas

i agree with you on this but just to set the record straight for everyone else that matt neuthart (700HP v6 on 3.8) is currently or was the fastest v6 and was single port
http://3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181471

id still stay split port and do the m112 its alot easier

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Well that may be true, but let it also be noted that Gary made more hp with only 17psi (compared to Matt's 27-28psi)
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Well that may be true, but let it also be noted that Gary made more hp with only 17psi (compared to Matt's 27-28psi)
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didnt even know garry had a new setup

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Yeah, T-80 with 660rwhp on 17psi.
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You will have the issue of engine wiring as the older 3.8's and the newer 3.8's have dramatically different computers and sensors and transmission controlling.
89-95 SC engines are EEC4 and OBD1 style systems utilizing all the old style sensors. They either came with a 5 speed manual or an AOD which is a mechanical transmission with no electronic controls.
The 2001-2002 Mustangs (just like all 96-up) are EEC5 and OBD2 and utilize a completely different set up along with electronically controlled transmissions. 99-up Mustangs are also returnless fuel systems which you will either need to modify the car for a return style like the SC engine has OR try to convert the SC engine to returnless using the 2001-2002 computer.
I would do more research. Either start with an older car OR plan on swapping the harness and trans from the SC or find someone to do some major reprogramming of the 2001-2002 computer to accomodate the SC engine and the electronic trans.
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Actually, 89-93 are OBDI and EEC-IV, but 94-95 are OBDII and EEC-V. And 94-95's were also 4R70W (electronically controlled) transmission.

And even being as the 89-93's are EEC-IV and OBDI they can be run off of a 96-98 mustang comuter being as both are DIS ignition and return style fuel delivery. It's easier than you make it sound.

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Actually, 89-93 are OBDI and EEC-IV, but 94-95 are OBDII and EEC-V. And 94-95's were also 4R70W (electronically controlled) transmission.


-Thomas
Actually you are wrong. the 94-95 had AODE's not the 4R70W, those came in the 96+. The main difference is the gear set inside them, the 4R has what is considered a wide ratio compared to the AODE.

Typical 97 vert with 8-point roll bar.
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No actually NO MN12 or FN10 EVER came with an AODE. They were ALL 4r70w 94-98. I promise. Look on TCCoA at the JMod tech rticles. There is nothing that mentions anything about an AODE. You can trust me on this one I have owned 3 MN12's and swapped out 4r70w's 3 times, as well as performed JMod's on 10 club members cars.
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I feel stupid, but what the hell is a MN12 or FN10? I've had my v6 for over 9 years now and have never heard of that.

Also TCCoa is for thunderbirds and not mustangs. Thunderbirds came with the 4R for a long time, but not the mustang. Also there are no differences in valve bodies.

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We were talking about the tbirds, since he's asking about swapping a tbird engine in his mustang... MN12 = 89-97 tbird/cougar FN10 = 93-98 Mark VIII
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Read his first thread.

Said putting a T-bird engine and mating it to his mustang transmission sir.

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Yes I realize that. Were talking about OBD and EEC's so I mentioned it came with a 4r70w in the switch to OBD II and EEC-V. Someone mentioned they were all OBDI and AOD but that is not true. I was correcting the misinformation.
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Cool. So we both know what we are talking about soon as we get on the same page.

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It's all good Keith
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Back to the original question , if they put the 4R in the GT's I think it will hold up to the supercoupe engine.

Also another option is the Procharger kit that will bolt right up to your engine. Alot easier install....
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