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post #1 of 23 Old 02-18-2011, 04:14 PM Thread Starter
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Oregon Introduces Bill to Ban the Sale of Aftermarket Exhaust Systems

A bill (H.B. 3214) to ban the sale of certain new motor vehicle exhaust systems or exhaust system components that cause motor vehicles to produce noise that exceeds noise limits has been introduced by Oregon State Representative Phil Barnhart ([email protected]). Under the bill, noise limits would be specified in rules adopted by the Environmental Quality Commission (DEQ). However, in 1991 the DEQ terminated its noise control program. The bill has not yet been assigned to a committee for consideration.

We Urge You to Contact Representative Phil Barnhart (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request That He Withdraw H.B. 3214

• H.B. 3214 would prohibit the sale of these exhaust systems in Oregon. The bill would also prohibit the sale of these systems by an Oregon-based business to an out-of-state customer.

• H.B. 3214 provides no clear standard to enforce, and refers to DEQ noise standards that are not currently in use. The bill could allow DEQ to resurrect its noise control program or create a new and unspecified standard.

• H.B. 3214 makes no accommodation for SEMA model legislation to allow vehicle hobbyists to buy and install aftermarket modified exhaust systems that meet a 95-decibel limit under a fair and predictable test (SAE J1169).

• H.B. 3214 ignores the fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions.

• H.B. 3214 fails to recognize that aftermarket exhaust systems offer increased performance, which can make a vehicle safer by improving its ability to merge, pass, travel uphill, etc.

• H.B. 3214 would make it difficult for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust systems with more durable, better performing options.

DON’T DELAY! Please contact Oregon State Representative Phil Barnhart immediately by phone or e-mail to request that he withdraw H.B. 3214.

Please e-mail a copy of your letter to Steve McDonald at [email protected]. Also, please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them to join the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your assistance.


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The bill has been assigned to a committee! Please contact the House Transportation and Economic Development Committee and voice your opposition!


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i see no problem with enforcing noise pollution laws be it car stereos, home stereos, barking dogs, fart cannons, exhaust systems that replace cats and use loud ass muffs, and harley davidsons. you can have a high performance exhaust system without the excess noise and those manufacturers can start producing them at will........they choose not to because most buy them not for performance but the noise.

maybe sema, an organization that is environmentaly responsible, can provide leadership and lobby the exhaust industry to start producing quieter products so states don't have to pass laws such as these. afterall, laws such as these are truely aimed at a miniscule of the public that are idiots and not the overall enthusiasts. so since sema can't fix the few idiots so they don't reuin it for others, its time to lead be a part of the solution.
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Doesn't matter if it's loud or not. This bill will ban ALL non-OE exhausts.

SEMA has an exhaust noise bill that provides a common sense level for all parties involved. Instead of outlawing these exhausts, they should implement our model bill. We are actively pushing that everywhere.

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Under the bill, noise limits would be specified in rules adopted by the Environmental Quality Commission (DEQ). However, in 1991 the DEQ terminated its noise control program.
But they do set standards for noise emissions from vehicles.

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340-256-0430

Motor Vehicle Propulsion Exhaust Noise Standards

(1) Light duty motor vehicle propulsion exhaust noise levels not to be exceeded as measured at no less than 20 inches from any opening to the atmosphere downstream from the exhaust ports of the motor vehicle engine: Vehicle -- Type Maximum Allowable Noise Level:

(a) All Front Engine Vehicles -- 93 dBA;

(b) All Rear and Mid Engine Vehicles -- 95 dBA.

(2) Motorcycle propulsion exhaust noise levels not to be exceeded as measured at no less than 20 inches from any opening to the atmosphere downstream from the exhaust ports of the motorcycle engine: Model Year -- Maximum Allowable Noise Level:

(a) Pre-1976 -- 102 dBA;

(b) 1976 and newer -- 99 dBA.

(3) The Director may establish specific separate standards, differing from those listed in sections (1) and (2) of this rule, for vehicle classes which are determined to present prohibitive inspection problems using the listed standard.

Stat. Auth.: ORS 467.030 & ORS 468A.360
Stats. Implemented: ORS 467.030
Hist.: DEQ 23-1984, f. 11-19-84, ef. 4-1-85; DEQ 24-1984, f. 11-19-84, ef. 7-1-85; DEQ 6-1985, f. & ef. 5-1-85; DEQ 4-1993, f. & cert. ef. 3-10-93; DEQ 25-1996, f. & cert. ef. 11-26-96; DEQ 14-1999, f. & cert. ef. 10-14-99, Renumbered from 340-024-0337
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FWIW, 93-95dBA is pretty loud.
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Doesn't matter if it's loud or not. This bill will ban ALL non-OE exhausts.
No it won't.

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SECTION 1. { + A person may not sell or offer for sale in this
state any new motor vehicle exhaust system or new motor vehicle
exhaust system component that will cause a motor vehicle to
produce propulsion noise that exceeds the noise limits specified
in rules adopted by the Environmental Quality Commission. + ##
Relating to noise control; and declaring an emergency.
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so is it certain systems, systems that raise the noise to above the noise standards, or ALL non-oe systems? i just want to know if i should bite an apple or an orange.
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I'm starting to think these posts aren't actually based on fact.


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So can I get a factual response to this one, since you brought it back up in the other post?
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so is it certain systems, systems that raise the noise to above the noise standards, or ALL non-oe systems? i just want to know if i should bite an apple or an orange.

the problem is testing... what will happen, like it does with stereo's, is cops will give tickets based on "i think thats too loud", not on actual dB levels.
It will cost too much to employ reliable dB meters in every patrol car.

So it will end up as the cop's judgment call. Which is BS, and hardly a "standard".

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I'm starting to think these posts aren't actually based on fact.
Sorry, guys. Its hard to keep tabs on the threads when they were getting bumped around with unnecessary postings.

Here is the verbage straight from the text of the bill. The sales ban is clear as day.

"A person may not sell or offer for sale in this
state any new motor vehicle exhaust system or new motor vehicle
exhaust system component that will cause a motor vehicle to
produce propulsion noise that exceeds the noise limits specified
in rules adopted by the Environmental Quality Commission."

The DEQ noise standard it refers to is not currently in use and the bill could reinstitute that or implement a stricter standard.

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Sorry, guys. Its hard to keep tabs on the threads when they were getting bumped around with unnecessary postings.

Here is the verbage straight from the text of the bill. The sales ban is clear as day.

"A person may not sell or offer for sale in this
state any new motor vehicle exhaust system or new motor vehicle
exhaust system component that will cause a motor vehicle to
produce propulsion noise that exceeds the noise limits specified
in rules adopted by the Environmental Quality Commission."

The DEQ noise standard it refers to is not currently in use and the bill could [emphasis mine] reinstitute that or implement a stricter standard.
So in other words, the bill doesn't actually do what your title says it does.

Can you also address the fact that the DEQ site actually does list noise standards for vehicles, as I posted on 3 March?
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I won't be surprised if this doesn't eventually pass. Oregon is such a crazy state... They won't even let you pump your own fuel there...

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So in other words, the bill doesn't actually do what your title says it does.

Can you also address the fact that the DEQ site actually does list noise standards for vehicles, as I posted on 3 March?
"Could" refers to DEQ possibly resurrecting its noise control program or creating a new and unspecified standard. What your post of March 3 fails to recognize is that while the program to test for noise is on the books, it is not currently being funded.

The title is correct in that this will outlaw aftermarket exhaust system and components. I'm not sure how the text of the bill could be construed any other way.

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I won't be surprised if this doesn't eventually pass. Oregon is such a crazy state... They won't even let you pump your own fuel there...
You never know. That's why its important to get engaged and voice opposition.

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The title is correct in that this will outlaw aftermarket exhaust system and components. I'm not sure how the text of the bill could be construed any other way.
It would be construed the correct way when you actually read the text of the law, the relevant section of which I posted on 3 March, and which you later copied in your post.

The law says it would ban the sale of exhausts that exceed a standard; it does not say that it will ban the sale of all aftermarket exhausts.

The current DEQ standard (even if not currently being enforced) roughly matches those that you laud as a good law for WV. Why the double standard?
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You never know. That's why its important to get engaged and voice opposition.
But it is also important to know what you're actually voicing opposition against so you don't come across as uninformed to either your state representation or the car enthusiast community as a whole.
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It would be construed the correct way when you actually read the text of the law, the relevant section of which I posted on 3 March, and which you later copied in your post.

The law says it would ban the sale of exhausts that exceed a standard; it does not say that it will ban the sale of all aftermarket exhausts.

The current DEQ standard (even if not currently being enforced) roughly matches those that you laud as a good law for WV. Why the double standard?
Again, we acknowlege there is a standard. That is not in doubt. It simply is not being funded and thusly not enforced by the state. In effect, the bill will severely limit aftermarket exhaust choices. There is no double standard with this issue because we advocate for an onjective standard that people can prove compliance to. In this case, there is no way for them to prove complaince.

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It simply is not being funded and thusly not enforced by the state.
Then, there also is no way for the state to prove non-compliance. Thus, no problem.
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At that point, noise becomes subjective.

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