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Thumbs down Anti-Hobbyist Inoperable Vehicle Bill Introduced in AR; Hearing Scheduled for TODAY

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Legislation (H.B. 1252) that would allow cities to remove inoperable vehicles from private property if the vehicle is deemed a “nuisance” under a local ordinance has been introduced in the Arkansas State Legislature. The bill will be considered by the Arkansas House Committee on City, County and Local Affairs on Wed., Feb. 2, 2011.

We Urge You to Contact Members of the Arkansas House Committee on City, County and Local Affairs (List Attached Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 1252

For those interested in attending the hearing to voice opposition, the Committee will meet on Wed., Feb. 2 at 10:00 a.m. at the following address:


Room B, Mac Building
1 Capitol Mall
Little Rock, Arkansas 72201

-H.B. 1252 provides no reasonable safeguards for legitimate automotive hobbyists that choose to work on inoperable collector vehicles on private property.

-H.B. 1252 could outlaw the repair or modification of certain motor vehicles that are undergoing restoration.

-H.B. 1252 could outlaw the maintenance of parts cars for motor vehicles undergoing restoration.
-H.B. 1252 establishes no provisions that would enable vehicles located out of public view to avoid being classified as abandoned.

DON’T DELAY! Please contact members of the Arkansas House Committee on City, County and Local Affairs immediately to request their opposition to H.B. 1252.

Please e-mail a copy of your letters to Steve McDonald at [email protected]

Arkansas House Committee on City, County and Local Affairs

Representative Charolette Wagner - Chair
Phone: 870/561-4600
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Representative Jane English - Vice Chair
Phone: 501/257-7670
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Representative Toni Bradford
Phone: 870/879-5270
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Representative Tommy Lee Baker
Phone: 870/563-8277
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Representative Kathy Webb
Phone: 501/258-1949
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Representative Davy Carter
Phone: 501/605-1346
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Representative Tracy Steele
Phone: 501/374-8788
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Representative Denny Altes
Phone: 479/646-8981
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Representative Linda Collins-Smith
Phone: 870/378-1434
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Representative Jon S. Eubanks
Phone: 479/438-0533
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Representative David L. Branscum
Phone: 870/448-2408
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Representative Sheilla E. Lampkin
Phone: 870/723-6449
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Representative Jeremy Gillam
Phone: 501/729-0042
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Representative Andy Mayberry
Phone: 501/888-3522
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Representative Betty Overbey
Phone: 479/885-6479
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Representative Josh Johnston
Phone: 501/556-1951
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Representative David Fielding
Phone: 870/234-6143
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Representative Nate Bell
Phone: 479/394-5665
Email: [email protected]bell4arkansas.com

Representative Tommy Thompson
Phone: 501/208-2007
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Representative Leslee Milam Post
Phone: 479/518-0331
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There ain't that many tow trucks in Arkansas. They'd have to call in help from Texas, Louisana, and Oklahoma. Still iffy.

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You know how you can tell a rich boy in Arkansas? He has two cars jacked up in his front yard!

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so dave is from AR? who knew?!?!?!
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sounds fair to me, if you're gonna have a broken down car as an eyesore on the lawn somebody's gotta get rid of it.

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sounds fair to me, if you're gonna have a broken down car as an eyesore on the lawn somebody's gotta get rid of it.
Good way to destroy a split window corvette too. So much for finding treasures in the weeds.

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I just read the bill and it doesn't seem to be invasive or intrusive at all. It looks as if they are attempting to address the problem of empty swimming pools collecting water, excessive rubbish that attracts rodents and abandoned motor vehicles that are a blight on the community. Our city has much tighter restrictions than this and nobody down here is complaining. We're just glad there's not a ton of abandoned cars sitting around for years.

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I don't think SEMA has any problem at all with legislation ordering the removal of ABANDONED cars. The problem with a bill such as this comes from the better-than-yous pushing it beyond it's original meaning and trying to get your car hauled off during a motor swap or rebuild.

I know people around here get their panties in a wad about retarded things all the time.

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I don't think SEMA has any problem at all with legislation ordering the removal of ABANDONED cars. The problem with a bill such as this comes from the better-than-yous pushing it beyond it's original meaning and trying to get your car hauled off during a motor swap or rebuild.

I know people around here get their panties in a wad about retarded things all the time.
That is precisely the point. We know that enthusiasts don't have 18 hours a day to work on their cars or complete their restoration projects. Detailed projects take time. With this type of legislation, all it takes is one nosy or irritating passer-by or neighbor to say, "I don't like that rusted out '39 Ford in his driveway. It's ugly. I'm calling the county," and a man's lifelong project is derailed for good.

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sounds fair to me, if you're gonna have a broken down car as an eyesore on the lawn somebody's gotta get rid of it.
Sure, we don't want eyesores either. We know it could be rather unappealing to see a jaloppy sitting in someone's front yard with vegitation growing out of it. That's why we have an alertnative. SAN has model legislation that addresses this problem all while protecting the rights of enthusiasts. That compromise is far better than this type of outright attack.


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Sorry to kear that, KPSVO. Check this out: www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62875. That's what we propose as a "safe," fair alternative.

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Or maybe they could be somebody just like me who is taking care of a terminally ill family member?

Somebody who has put up all their stuff because family comes before cars?

Somebody who paid good money for their cars / projects and will get back to them when that family member eventually dies?

Step on my property and take something I worked my ass off to have and take it without asking?

I believe that is called theft.

My house doesn't look like a junk yard but sometimes the grass goes uncut for longer than I'd like during the Summer.

But since my terminally ill Parent doesn't have an "Off Switch" I can only try to keep things looking decent. I don't always succeed.

Some people don't live a charmed life and don't get to do as they please.

Luckily I have good neighbors who know and understand my problem.

EDIT: I have been acting as a Primary Caregiver for 5 years, 8 months, and 19 days. Life sucks, generally speaking.
Exactly one of the situations I mentioned. KPSVO, sorry to hear about your parent, but I'm glad to see you're stepping in. Hat's off to you.

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bump just to make sure all your threads stay on the first page
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thumbs down for eyesore cars.

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This bill passed the House and is moving to the Senate. It must be stopped! Please make your voice heard TODAY!

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but I dont want it stopped. I support this

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Its not just eyesore cars. It could be a mint '93 Cobra that doesn't start.

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Stupid state. Sometimes I don't like the people in office here. Like I said, I support removing eyesore abandoned vehicles, but I don't support this bill because some Dudley Doright will exploit this against genuine hobbyists.

Most reasonably sized municipalities already have ordinances against such things, why do we need state legislation dictating further? It will only lead to exploitation by hobby haters. Mark my words.

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So Snaps, your alternator goes out on your hoopty. You pop the hood, pull the alternator, run to Autozone. You get back and your car's towed off. Your neighbor thought it was an eyesore sitting there with the hood all up and ####. Sound good? Hope it happens to you.

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Its true. It doesn't matter if you've got a cosmetic gem. If it ain't runnin', and your neightbor don't like it, he can scream and holler that it's a nuisance.

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and pigs can fly but that doesn't mean everyone believes it.
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Its true. It doesn't matter if you've got a cosmetic gem. If it ain't runnin', and your neightbor don't like it, he can scream and holler that it's a nuisance.
Except that what you just posted as a general description of the law isn't true. All this law allows is for cities to create their own ordinances regarding junk cars on property, the same way they can currently create ordinances regarding other non-vehicular junk on property.

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For An Act To Be Entitled

AN ACT TO ALLOW CITIES TO REMOVE VEHICLES FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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TO ALLOW CITIES TO REMOVE VEHICLES FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF ARKANSAS:

SECTION 1. Arkansas Code § 14-54-901 is amended to read as follows: 14-54-901.
Municipal authority. Incorporated towns and cities of the first and second class may order the owner of lots and other real property within their towns or cities to cut weeds; to remove garbage, rubbish, and other unsightly and unsanitary articles and things upon the property, including without limitation abandoned or inoperable vehicles; and to eliminate, fill up, or remove stagnant pools of water or any other unsanitary thing, place, or condition that might become a breeding place for mosquitoes, flies, and germs harmful to the health of the community, after the town or city has provided therefor by ordinance.

SECTION 2. Arkansas Code § 27-50-1101(a)(1)(A), concerning removal of an abandoned piece of private property, is amended to read as follows:

(a)(1)(A) When a vehicle of a type subject to registration under the laws of this state, an implement, or a piece of machinery is found abandoned on private or public property within this state or is parked on private or public property within this state without the authorization of the property owners or other persons controlling the property, or after notice from a municipality that the vehicle, implement, or piece of machinery constitutes a nuisance under local ordinance, the municipality or the property owner or his or her agent may have the vehicle, implement, or piece of machinery removed from the property by a towing and storage firm licensed by and subject to the rules of the Arkansas Towing and Recovery Board.
http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/205164/205164.pdf

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sounds like i was right.... I fully support this proposed law

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