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are replica wheels good enough to race on?

I am thinking about buying larger wheels for more rear traction on exits.
I have ford r 58's 17x9 cobra r's with nitto 555's now

i was thinking about buying black bullit wheels from wheel replicas i'm
debating between 17 x9 /17x10.5 or 18x9 18x10

i am going to run race rubber like victoracer v710 or somthing similar the 18's seem to be harder to find race rubber for 18's

Are these replica wheels strong enough to run open track event up to 170+ mph?
What size tire would you run on the 18's?
Are there any advantage to run 18's vs 17's?

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Well, there's a lot of quality variation among replica wheels. Several racers (including one of the Griggs cars, IIRC) have run AFS 10 1/2" Cobra R replicas.

I have 10 1/2" AFS R Replicas that are now on the front of the car, but that's for auto-cross only. No issues after a year+ on the rear. They are heavy suckers, though.

The Bullitt design in general appears less desirable since there is less meat where the spokes meet the hub. That's where the cracks usually start. Also, be sure to check brake caliper clearance if you have big brakes. The Cobra types usually clear.

18" wheels = more $ for wheels and tires. Benefits?


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Aren't a lot of the "replicas" made by the same outfits that make the OEM pieces for Ford?
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Jay,

I think you should stay with the 17 x 9 and get a lightweight wheel like the ones MM sells. Your car has alot of HP and I would be nervous about anything that is unproven on the track. Just my opinion.
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Aren't a lot of the "replicas" made by the same outfits that make the OEM pieces for Ford?
Some are, some aren't. Maybe somebody knows which is which. I sure don't.

I now have AFS 10 1/2" in front and got another pair of 10 1/2" from Mustang Tuning. Quite different, especially in the hub area which is why they went on the back. For auto-cross, Im not worried. For track work, I'd stick with the AFS.

Of course, purpose made wheels are a lot better - CCW, Bogart, etc. (Okay, Glenn, here's an excuse for another picture of your CCWs )

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MM's Konig wheel deals is an excellent price

Factory Five sells the FR500 style in 17 & 18 inch wheels. They are fairly light and they are made to their specs is what I was told.

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Rob i agree with you i really dont want to go into a barrel roll at 100+mph

The Ford r58 wheels are good wheels what i am running now but i really need more rubber on the rear to get more traction. It spins badly to 80mph then hooks up.

the MM wheel look great i just wish they sold a 10.5 or 11 wide.

Is there a good strong wheel they make 17x10.5 or 11 for our cars that anyone know of?

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Is there a good strong wheel they make 17x10.5 or 11 for our cars that anyone know of?

As mentioned above, CCW and Bogart, among others, will build you such wheels with custom backspacing. I haven't heard of a failure in either CCW or Bogart wheels.

Of course, they do run about $500.00/wheel. IIRC a CCW in 17x11 weighs about 18# - my AFS 17x10 1/2" weighs more than 30#.

American Racing makes a 17x11, but I'm not aware of anyone running one for track or even auto-cross.

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You need some Forgeline RS's. Strong and light. 17x11 are ~$600 (MSRP) tho.

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FYI: my 18x9 wheel replica saleens weigh 26lbs and my 18x10 weigh 27lbs. I'm running kumho ecsta MX's all round for the Open Track (its these tires that are the real pigs. lol . 265 front and 295 in back. the car makes 450bhp NA, so i'm hoping the 295's can prevent the rear from oversteering...

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Blacksnake,

What brand Saleen replica's are you running? Everyone brand I have looked at are over 30#'s.

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When I was the crew chief at Griggs Racing, we ran AFS wheels on our shop car and on customer cars. They performed well, but after taking a hit, they would crack instead of bend like the genuine R58 wheels. Either way, the wheel was junk, but it was nice to have the tire hold some air after a collision.

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Blacksnake,

What brand Saleen replica's are you running? Everyone brand I have looked at are over 30#'s.
I run 'Wheel Replica' brand. they are very cheap. I weighed them on a very accurate digital scale multiple times. For reference, my real saleen 18x9 rims weighed in at 29lbs each. (they were chrome however). I bought the polished wheels and used zoop seal to ensure the polished surface looks great. The polished wheels have NO coating and are the lightest possible. I would have gone w/ lighter 17" rims, but after having the look of 18", I'll take the performance hit, since I think 17" rims on our 4x4'x looks like assszz

PS: my stocker rims supposedly weighed around 25lbs each. My buddy weighed in his stocker bullit wheel/tire to the tune of 45lbs.

FACT: i went w/ Kumho ecsta MX tires. they are great RR/OT tires (that you can drive home.........but they are HEAVY. The 265's are 27lbs and the 295's are 30lbs! If i would have stuck w/ nitto 555's, I would have been much closer to the stocker weight. But I have enought straightline acceleration, so i'm ok w/ it...

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I haven't checked lately, but IIRC the CCW 17x10.5 Track Wheel with a mounted Kumho 275-40 V710 weighs in around 45#, which isn't bad considering the grip you get for around the same weight as a stock wheel tire combination. This combination elevated my car from a top 10 finisher in regional competiton to a FTD contender. Now if only I learned to drive....

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Of course, purpose made wheels are a lot better - CCW, Bogart, etc. (Okay, Glenn, here's an excuse for another picture of your CCWs )
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Sorry Bob, from now on the pictures won't be free, and they must be paid for in advance!
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I haven't checked lately, but IIRC the CCW 17x10.5 Track Wheel with a mounted Kumho 275-40 V710 weighs in around 45#, which isn't bad considering the grip you get for around the same weight as a stock wheel tire combination. This combination elevated my car from a top 10 finisher in regional competiton to a FTD contender. Now if only I learned to drive....



Sorry Bob, from now on the pictures won't be free, and they must be paid for in advance!

CCW's would be my first choice for sure, but when your also paying $1500 a month for daycare, 3 car payments, big house....etc etc etc, $500 per rim isn't going to happen... LOL

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CCW's would be my first choice for sure, but when your also paying $1500 a month for daycare, 3 car payments, big house....etc etc etc, $500 per rim isn't going to happen... LOL
Zero for daycare (kids are grown and gone), no car payments (DD is a 95, race car is a 95 and tow rig is an 01), reasonable house payment makes it doable. Plus it's only a 45 minute drive up to CCW and the owner likes to chew the fat about all the local autocrossers we both know, it ends up being a great cash and carry deal.
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Would you be willing to whore yourself out to get me some 17x11's then, Glenn?
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Would you be willing to whore yourself out to get me some 17x11's then, Glenn?
I'll have to clear it with my pimp first.
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Zero for daycare (kids are grown and gone), no car payments (DD is a 95, race car is a 95 and tow rig is an 01), reasonable house payment makes it doable. Plus it's only a 45 minute drive up to CCW and the owner likes to chew the fat about all the local autocrossers we both know, it ends up being a great cash and carry deal.

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I weighed my Chrome Cobra R's with the Nitto 555's 275/40 17 they weighed 47lbs

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