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post #1 of 51 Old 10-31-2005, 08:31 AM Thread Starter
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what tires are you guys running??

i've been running bridgestone potenza's up front and dunlop sp5000's out back on my pony wheels and it's time for some new rubber...

the 225front/ 245rear combo seemed to work alright but i think i may want to push it a little more..

i was thinking about maybe throwing a spacer on the front and seeing if i can run 245s all around. it seems a 245/50/16 is one of the only sizes offered in a 16inch wheel for some really good tires...

as far as a "max performance" tire i've looked at simply replacing the tires with the equivalent from bridgestone and dunlop, and i'f looked at the nitto 555's.

however i wanted something better for the road course..

i looked into some yokohama competition DOT approved tires from the tire rack...

are any of you guys running a dot approved competition tire, if so which ones??

just curious to see if there's ones i'm missing in my search.

think i can fit 245s all around if i put a spacer on the front wheels???
the car sits rather low, and i've got about -1.5 neg camber.

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I have 275's all the way around on my 17x9's. It's hard to say wether 245's will fit the front of your car, you'll just have to try your rear wheels on the front of your car for a few miles.

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what type of tires are you running??

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The Nitto 555 RII tires are a great bang for the buck tire. I have used them for some open track and in autocross and as a daily driver and they are hard to beat.
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The Nitto 555 RII tires are a great bang for the buck tire. I have used them for some open track and in autocross and as a daily driver and they are hard to beat.
no 16" sizes... i looked at them as well.

what about the nt01's?? they have a 245/50/16 as the only 16" size.

http://nittotire.com/tires_nt01.asp

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I am using Khumo Ecsta MX's in the 275/40/17 flavoure
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I run the nitto 555r's (not drag radial) they are great tire they come with more tread depth and 300 treadwear so they will last a bit longer. The only other tire I considered was the Kumho MX it is a faster tire on road course but will not last as long with 200 treadwear. Those race tires are awesome but i drive to much to be able to afford them.

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Ecsta Suprs 712's. Not great for OT or Auto-X, but 99% of my driving is on the street.

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I run the nitto 555r's (not drag radial) they are great tire they come with more tread depth and 300 treadwear so they will last a bit longer. The only other tire I considered was the Kumho MX it is a faster tire on road course but will not last as long with 200 treadwear. Those race tires are awesome but i drive to much to be able to afford them.

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i thought the 555r's were the drag tire?? i was unaware they made an auto-x version..

how are the regular 555s??

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I'm running Avon Tech M500. Alan McCrispin (sp) rode with me this past weekend and thought I had a sticky tire on untill he got out and looked. Thought they were softer than Azienis and said they felt as sticky also. Avon also makes a Tech R and Ra for autocross and open track. both come in 225-16 but not 245.


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If you are looking for an autocross tire and you can haul your tires and change at events, get Kumho V710's.
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I'm running Avon Tech M500. Alan McCrispin (sp) rode with me this past weekend and thought I had a sticky tire on untill he got out and looked. Thought they were softer than Azienis and said they felt as sticky also. Avon also makes a Tech R and Ra for autocross and open track. both come in 225-16 but not 245.
i really have my eyes on the yokohama advan ao32r's.

they have a 225, 245, and 255 sizes and a hard and soft compound.. i'm going to see if i can run the 245 up front with a spacer and i think i may do a 245front and 255 rear if the front fits..

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no 16" sizes... i looked at them as well.

what about the nt01's?? they have a 245/50/16 as the only 16" size.

http://nittotire.com/tires_nt01.asp

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A guy at Road America the other week had a set on his Mustang. He said he liked them, and they lasted a long time. His only crevet was they didn't stick like other r-comps. I took his word, as he's one of those guys that is at events every week and has 3 track cars. Also, for an apple/oranges comparison, my full weight sorta preped 2000 GT was notably faster through the Carosole at RA than his prepped, gutted track car (prep, driving style, etc figure in there though).

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A guy at Road America the other week had a set on his Mustang. He said he liked them, and they lasted a long time. His only crevet was they didn't stick like other r-comps. I took his word, as he's one of those guys that is at events every week and has 3 track cars. Also, for an apple/oranges comparison, my full weight sorta preped 2000 GT was notably faster through the Carosole at RA than his prepped, gutted track car (prep, driving style, etc figure in there though).
I ran 275/40/17 BFG KD's all around. They lasted 16 days of track (200 Treadwear)

Now I am runnung 275/40/17 Nitto 555RII. They appear they will last about 8 days of track (100 Treadwear)

Next I plan on using Nitto NT-01 w/ same 100 Treadwear. I would consider any 'R compound tire w/ 100 treadwear to be an introductory type of R tire. It will give plenty of feedback, make some noise and last a long time.
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my choices......

I'm currently running Falken RT615's in 275 40 17 size, and it's the stickiest tire I've used to date. It's only 200 treadwear, and I have yet to see how long they will wear over the long term. They are noticeably stickier than the Kumho Ecsta MX's I've used before, and just as predictable at the limit. The RT615's do do come in 16" sizes, but they do seem to have a rather tall sidewall compared to other tires of the same dimensions. If you're looking for a longer wearing tire, the MX's are real grippy and last a good amount of time.

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i really have my eyes on the yokohama advan ao32r's.

they have a 225, 245, and 255 sizes and a hard and soft compound.. i'm going to see if i can run the 245 up front with a spacer and i think i may do a 245front and 255 rear if the front fits..

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Try to keep the same size front and rear, if you plan to track/autoX you will need to rotate your tires or you risk killing the fronts pretty quick.
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I'm currently running Falken RT615's in 275 40 17 size, and it's the stickiest tire I've used to date. It's only 200 treadwear, and I have yet to see how long they will wear over the long term. They are noticeably stickier than the Kumho Ecsta MX's I've used before, and just as predictable at the limit. The RT615's do do come in 16" sizes, but they do seem to have a rather tall sidewall compared to other tires of the same dimensions. If you're looking for a longer wearing tire, the MX's are real grippy and last a good amount of time.
my girlfriend has falkens on her 318ti bmw in a 225/17 front, 245/17rear and they work great on her car... however it's a 4banger and not a 400hp v8.

i don't want a street tire. i've never seen any street tires perform as well as the tires i have on here now, but they're definately not enough.

i expect only getting 1 summer out of the tires, so treadwear is not a big deal... actually, the lower the milage rating the stickier they should be, which would be great.

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Try to keep the same size front and rear, if you plan to track/autoX you will need to rotate your tires or you risk killing the fronts pretty quick.

GOOD IDEA... maybe i can run 245s all around...... hmmm

going to have to find out.

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I have autocrossed on the Nitto NT555 streets several times and the Hoosier A3S05. My opinion of the Nitto is that it is a great tire BUT it is more suited for the person who needs to drive many street miles and only autocrosses occasionally. If I were to buy a dual purpose tire that would see much autocross and many street miles I would get the latest, greatest Falken Azenis or maybe the Hankook Ventus. It should go without saying that the A3S05 requires another set of wheels and is not to be used on the street. It also seems to chunk when it gets many subsequent autocross runs with little time between so I would be apprehensive about using it on a track day or something.

Definitely run the same size tire all the way around.

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I don't think there's any need to get the latest and greatest Falkens for street and track use. I've ran both the 215s and 615s for daily driving and track use. I got 6 months and 4-6 track days out of both versions.

In terms of grip, I couldn't tell any difference between the 215s and 615s. The 615s didn't seem to get greasy on the track the way the 215s would after several hot laps but that's not worth the difference in price to me. I'm going back to 215s when I get my next set and save myself a $100 or more.

I don't autocross so my experience with them is from OT and daily driving only.
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i consider the potenzas in the front and the sp5000s in the rear to be a max performance street setup, however that's not the problem...

the problem is that even MAX performance street tires are just that...street tires.

i'm stuck with the 16x7 stock pony wheels so since my sizes are limited i need something quite sticky to be able to put close to 400hp/tq to the ground around NHIS. before i put in the new motor i had to baby the throttle around certain areas of the track and i know a stickier tire is needed.

however i don't care to have two sets of tires..therefor i'm willing to sacrifice the tread life for traction, on AND off the track.

nitto rII's, advan a032r's...those are the kind of tires i'm looking for. more on the track side.

the category would probably be the equivalent to running drag radials on a 17inch wheel, on the street all the time..

i appreciate all the thoughts and opinions guys so please feel free to contunie the discussion.. the more i find out the better my desicion will be.


ALSO, let me specify.. i do not auto-x, and i don't do the cones in the parking lot. i race up at Loudon international speedway... it's the Nascar course, but they also open up a hill and a bowl area, as well as chicanes. it's a very technical course..
other courses to race are Lime Rock and Watkin's Glen(again another Nascar course). so the type of racing is very different... banked corners, 100+mph quite often.. that kind of thing.

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IMO, best track/street DOT R-comp tire is likely the full tread depth Toyo RA-1. Its quicker than an A032R, and will likely last almost as long. I plan to use the RA-1 as my street/rain tire, and either V710's or V700's for track tires.

The Kumho V710 is the best value for a super sticky track tire, but you'd be ****ed if it rained. The Kumho V700 Victoracer wouldn't last a whole season for you.

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would there be a problem running a 245/ 45 /16 in front and a 255/ 50 /16 in the rear??

seems to be some of the only sizes i can find... if anything i'd want to run a slightly TALLER rear tire... not shorter.

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Of all the different tires I've run on street & track over the past several years my favorite was the Bridgestone RE730 (now the 750). That's because it was the easiest to read so I felt I could use closer to 10/10's with it then any other tire.

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I run Firestone Firehawk SZ50 225 50 16, treadwear 200. Great dry and wet handling tire. I've got around 13000 miles on them and noticed the tread indicators are pretty much on the surface of the tire. The Kumho MX's look like a great replacement.

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I have Kumho 712's and am very happy with them.. I have never raced on them (drag or otherwise) but they offer great rain handling and dry traction..

I had 245/50's on my car at one time and they didn't rub unless you made an extremely hard turn and went over some uneven ground like turning into a driveway.. then they would rub slightly..

I have 245 45's on there now.. I love them!!! nice height, nice ride, nice everything really..

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I have Kumho 712's and am very happy with them.. I have never raced on them (drag or otherwise) but they offer great rain handling and dry traction..

I had 245/50's on my car at one time and they didn't rub unless you made an extremely hard turn and went over some uneven ground like turning into a driveway.. then they would rub slightly..

I have 245 45's on there now.. I love them!!! nice height, nice ride, nice everything really..
I have them on my Grand Am, 205 55 16. Great wet handling and pretty inexpensive compared to other Z rated tires. I don't think they would be very good for autocross or drag use but perform well on the street.

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i really have my eyes on the yokohama advan ao32r's.

they have a 225, 245, and 255 sizes and a hard and soft compound.. i'm going to see if i can run the 245 up front with a spacer and i think i may do a 245front and 255 rear if the front fits..

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The Yokos are really expensive and in my opinion do not wear any better or perform any better than Nitto 555RII's I ran RII's for autox all season in 04 and found that the tire cycles out long before you will cord them. In that respect it is a fantastic tire for driving to and from events with. I wanted more bite and went with V710's for all of this season and was able to get just north of 550 track miles into them. I still haven't corded them yet, but they are cycled out and do not really offer the bite they used to....I'm definitely getting another set though....best autox tire for the money.....hands down better than victoracers. IMO

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The Yokos are really expensive and in my opinion do not wear any better or perform any better than Nitto 555RII's I ran RII's for autox all season in 04 and found that the tire cycles out long before you will cord them. In that respect it is a fantastic tire for driving to and from events with. I wanted more bite and went with V710's for all of this season and was able to get just north of 550 track miles into them. I still haven't corded them yet, but they are cycled out and do not really offer the bite they used to....I'm definitely getting another set though....best autox tire for the money.....hands down better than victoracers. IMO
Your results are exactly what I had as well. For long wear the RII's are best, for all out stick you can't bet the V710's. A good friend used the Yok's on his 89 Mustang and they lost their stick early on (which wasn't as good as the other tires to begin with) and were much more expensive than the other tire offerings.
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Yoko, and the other makes ....(even hoosier for that matter).....that have been out there awhile really need to look at how much they are getting spanked in the market by Avon, Kumho and the like. I picked up my (275/40/17) 710's for 168 bucks each back in the spring... I see tirerack is showing them at 209 now and with a possible backorder to go into effect if supplies don't replenish soon.

I have a buddy the runs an E30 M3 with COMSCC and set class records (J-stock equivalent) at his first four events.....running on 710's. The usual class leader runs on a hoosier (R3S04 I believe) and spent way more and got way less life out of them. That guy is out of the running due to the consistency and longevity of the 710.

It just shouldn't cost 280-300 dollars for race rubber you can't get at least four track days out of. Sorry...sore spot.

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I have Yokohama ES100s. They I like them. I have about 12,000 miles on them. 3 open track days, couple trips to the strip, and daily driving. They're not too expensive either. I actually had more fun on the Es100s than my Victoracers when we were @ Willow Springs in September. 245/45/17 on the Yokos. 275/40/17 on the VRs. I'm not saying the VRs are a bad tire, just I was really impressed w/ the Yokos.

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would there be a problem running a 245/ 45 /16 in front and a 255/ 50 /16 in the rear??

seems to be some of the only sizes i can find... if anything i'd want to run a slightly TALLER rear tire... not shorter.

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Why not run 255-50-16 all around?

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And I would get the RA-1s.

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Another vote for the V710s, I ran a well used but still very sticky set of 275/40r17 V710s today at our last AutoX event of the season. I always thought my car was a decent handling car for its weight and the mods that have been done, that was on 275/40r17 MXs. Today on the V710s it was unlike anything Id ever felt, the car was incredible. It was point and shoot with these tires, anywhere I wanted to go the tires took the car. I got to pushing them pretty hard and my times just got better, I couldnt believe the responsiveness of the car with the tires. I was expecting a difference but nothing like this!
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