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post #1 of 31 Old 09-29-2005, 12:29 PM Thread Starter
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What alum. spoiler was that?

Ok, this is taking it old school. Unfortunately, I don't have the magazine anywhere close, but it was in one of the Mustang magazines.

It was a white hatchback LX with a fabricated aluminum spoiler sitting on the rear. It wasn't like one fo the drag spoilers you can get, it was thicker, shorter, and adjustable.

Does anyone have any pictures of know where I can find one? Worst comes to worst, I have a really good chassis guy who can build me anything I need, but I need pictures!

Thanks for all the help guys!

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TTT! This was an open track/auto X car.


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I think either Griggs or Maier Racing makes a spoiler like you're talking about.

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Griggs makes one for the SN95 cars, but they aren't adjustable.

All of Maier's are fiberglass with no pictures

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I think I know what car you are talking about, it was in MMFF or 5.0 either earlier this year or late last year. It had CCW's on it and the air filter stuck through the hood. The struts on the wing were on top and they attached up by the back window? I'll see if I can find a pic.
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I believe thats the car. I don't remember about the air filter, though. I do think it had brake ducts under the front bumper.

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That was a carb'ed car you are thinking of with the air filter. Though they might have the same wing but its a giant aluminum one thats on the yellow MM shop car I think is the one you are talking about.

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November 04 issue of 5.0 is what you want. Its got the yellow MM Winged Wonder AI car on the cover. The article is on pg 118-121, I read through it, all it says about the wing is "He added a fully functional custom rear wing..." Car was built and is owned by Jamie Lewis. The wing is very cool, very functional and looks like itd be a straight forward fab job.
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Thats not the wing I'm talking about, no matter how well it works, it just isn't needed on a street car.

The wing I am referring to is very similar to an aluminum drag spoiler, as in it hangs off the rear of the hatch. However, the one I saw is a little shorter and thicker sheet aluminum.

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I think you may have thought I was talking about the MM car but I wasnt. Theres another car in the magazine, a white hatchback LX with a small adjustable aluminum wing that sits back off the hatch. The adjusting turn buckles attach up by the hatch on each side. Thats the one I was talking about. Sorry if thats not it just trying to help.


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I think you may have thought I was talking about the MM car but I wasnt. Theres another car in the magazine, a white hatchback LX with a small adjustable aluminum wing that sits back off the hatch. The adjusting turn buckles attach up by the hatch on each side. Thats the one I was talking about. Sorry if thats not it just trying to help.
Yeah thats the car, but someone was talking about the yellow car. Anyone got any pics of that white one?

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Sorry I guess I was combining two cars in my head. I got it confused with a silver car from another issue that was the carbed car. I'm looking at the white car now, I just don't have a scanner!
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I'm looking at the white car now, I just don't have a scanner!
How about a digital camera? Just take a picture of the picture, it should come out OK (having done it before). Not sure how the picture posting works here, but if you need someplace to host it email it me and I'll put it up.

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Thats perfect! Thank you for the pictures!

Now, time to save up and talk to my fabricator!

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You might try and contact APEX Motorsports theyre mentioned in the article for helping with the build extensively and could maybe get you some better pics of the wing or get you in touch with someone that knows the specs and dimensions of it. Better than guessing at it.
click here > http://www.apexmotorsports.com/aboutus.html
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That wing if far too low to have any real effects, and it looks like crap.

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I think it looks pretty cool, but it would look better on a notchback rather than the hatchback. And from the pictures it doesn't look aluminum to me - you can see reflections in it. That would lead me to believe that it's either plexiglass or, if it is in fact aluminum, it's highly polished.

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That wing if far too low to have any real effects, and it looks like crap.
I never said it had any real effect. I'm just getting tired of the 93 Cobra spoiler I've got and wanna switch it up.

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That wing if far too low to have any real effects,
Good thing it's not a wing. It's plenty high to have very real effects as a spoiler though.

Must get all your tech from Dech....


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Must get all your tech from Dech....
No, I get it from smart(Camaro owner) guys like you....

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No, I get it from smart(Camaro owner) guys like you....
Too bad you don't. Or at the very least, smart Mustang guys...like these guys for example:



Silly fools, don't they know that low wing doesn't have any "real effect?" Maybe they should see what DECH uses on their race winning cars.
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I'm soooo wounded. Obviously you have a problem with me using wing instead of spoiler, or that I said the wing needs to be higher for greater effects, or you have a problem with DECH. Either way, it's your problem, and I'm not going to play your game. Nice try tho.

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You don't know the difference between a wing and a spoiler or how they operate differently. That's your problem, not mine. What kind of DECH wing are you running? Something like this?



Talk about a wing too low to do any damn good.... Give me a decent spoiler over that thing any day. You might agree if you had the foggiest clue on the requirements of each. Wings can be superior in many ways...but not that close to the trunk.
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I'm soooo wounded. Obviously you have a problem with me using wing instead of spoiler, or that I said the wing needs to be higher for greater effects, or you have a problem with DECH. Either way, it's your problem, and I'm not going to play your game. Nice try tho.
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You don't know the difference between a wing and a spoiler or how they operate differently.
I make a mistake by calling a spoiler a wing, and you get all bent out of shape. A little anal, aren't you?
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That's your problem, not mine. What kind of DECH wing are you running? Something like this?

I don't run a wing on my FOX bodied hatch.

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Talk about a wing too low to do any damn good.... Give me a decent spoiler over that thing any day. You might agree if you had the foggiest clue on the requirements of each. Wings can be superior in many ways...but not that close to the trunk.
Oh, I have a clue, and it's not foggy at all. I guess you did extensive testing with that DECH wing, did you? Funny thing, but The DECH wing you posted above is on an SN95 Stang. Different body style to a FOX hatchback, and the air reacts totally different on each vehicle. When you actually get a clue, that the air reacts differently on different cars, you might understand. Now, would that DECH wing work on a FOX? Sure it would but it would have to be mounted alot higher...pretty much at roofline.

Maybe I should have explain my thought better. The spoiler,(I know you'll appreciate that), in question would have greater effects if it was up higher...please dispute that. The gains of it's location now are minimal, but I don't have to tell you that, do I? You just go ahead and run anything you want, and you think what you want. I know what I know, which according to an expert like you, it isn't much. Well that would be a good thing, seeing your great example doesn't even involve the same vehicle, or same design of wing/spoiler. And even tho you don't care...The DECH wing does actually work, on the SN 95, and spoilers that low don't add a whole lot on Fox bodied cars.... this was tested in a windtunnel, and on racetracks up here in Canada, but what do we know about stuff like this? Now igloos on the other hand. Have a great day!
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I built my own, but doesnt sound like what you were after...




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Darius,

Did you cut some new struts from aluminum stock? I saw Eric Anderson's car at VIR at the Synergy fall fling and that's what he'd done. He even won the "big wing award"! I'm planning on ding something similar on my '87 GT. I have an APR GTII on the way. Just curious, but who's actual wing is that? I'm assuming you didn't fab that but you never know....

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A little anal, aren't you?
Not any more anal than somebody pointing out that 2+2 does not equal 5. A spoiler is not a wing. A wing is not a spoiler. A tire is not an engine. A gastank is not a torque arm.
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The spoiler,(I know you'll appreciate that), in question would have greater effects if it was up higher...please dispute that.
Thanks for stating the obvious. The taller you make it, the more downforce it will make. What a revelation! The ***** is it's already tall enough to be on the steep part of the efficiency curve for Cl to Cd ratio.

That wasn't the "dispute." You said it had no real affect. That's what I was disputing.
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The gains of it's location now are minimal, but I don't have to tell you that, do I?
Yes, you do. If you actually study enough about aerodynamics that you can tell the difference between a wing and a spoiler, you'll find that on a wide variety of rear end shapes, a spoiler just 2" tall has a large effect (Cl reduced by -.1 to -.2 range--up to 250+ lbs net vertical force change at the rear tires at 150 MPH). That's a measley 2"! Now look for data on a 2" tall wing. Good luck findy any. Some reading material for you:

Aerodynamics of Road Vehicles, W.H. Hucho
The origins of Drag and Lift Reductions on Automobiles with Front and Rear Spoilers, Franz Schenkel
Negative Lift Devices on Racing Cars, Scibor-Rylski
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The DECH wing does actually work, on the SN 95, and spoilers that low don't add a whole lot on Fox bodied cars.... this was tested in a windtunnel
OK, what is the Cl of the Dech wing pictured above on an SN 95? What is the Cl of the Griggs-style spoilers on a Fox?

Surely you have this data upon which to base your statement that one "works" and the other has "no real affect," don't you? Let's see it.
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That wasn't the "dispute." You said it had no real affect. That's what I was disputing.
When you quote me...do it properly Mr I can't read..

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That wing if far too low to have any real effects, and it looks like crap.
I never said it would have no real effects Einstein.

As for the DECH wing, I personally don't have the numbers. There was the 78 page document done at the U Of Toronto, on that wing. Might be some good reading for you. The only data that matters are track times, and by just swapping that wing at the track over the stock, it shaved almost 4 seconds off a lap, at Shannonville. I guess it works.

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Darius,

Did you cut some new struts from aluminum stock? I saw Eric Anderson's car at VIR at the Synergy fall fling and that's what he'd done. He even won the "big wing award"! I'm planning on ding something similar on my '87 GT. I have an APR GTII on the way. Just curious, but who's actual wing is that? I'm assuming you didn't fab that but you never know....

Thanks,

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Yes, I made the struts myself, as the stock ones were like 6"(?) tall. I wanted a wing right at the roofline.

p.s. I have another wing at home, brand new in the box. (was going to a friend who changed his mind). Contact me [email protected]

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