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I want 4-lug M-2300-k!!!!

Does anyone know how this guy got the hubs for this application? or how he did it? I really love my 93 Cobra wheels and Jeffo said in the past there is no plans of 5-lug, but these fox brakes are scary!! I love my friends cobra brakes, I just don't wanna part with my wheels.


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Baer makes pretty much what you are looking for. If I remember correctly it is $1000 plus a $300 core to upgrade to a front setup that use original style spindles, stays 4-lug and upgrades you to either 12" or 13" rotors with PBR calipers. They have many rear setups available also.


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Well for the rear he just got some custom lenght 4-lug axles and redrilled the rotors.

No idea how he did the front.

Aren't those Saleens 16" wheels??? How did he clear the 13" brakes??

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Baer makes pretty much what you are looking for. If I remember correctly it is $1000 plus a $300 core to upgrade to a front setup that use original style spindles, stays 4-lug and upgrades you to either 12" or 13" rotors with PBR calipers. They have many rear setups available also.
Thanks I'm gonna take a look at that!

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Well for the rear he just got some custom lenght 4-lug axles and redrilled the rotors.

No idea how he did the front.

Aren't those Saleens 16" wheels??? How did he clear the 13" brakes??
For the rears I figure my 93 cobra discs should be sufficent for now. I don't road race or anything like that yet. Just really tired of less than Ideal brakes in a hi 10 sec street car.

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They you definitely would want the baer 4-lug front kit.

It basically is a 4-lug M2300K kit. Same calipers as the CObra...but with better rotors


PS the picture above is for a Honda, but they make a 4-lug Fox Mustang version in 12 or 13" rotors

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but with better rotors

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but with better rotors
From what I've read and seen, the Brembo rotors are pretty sufficient rotors for both street and A/X-type racing. Unless Baer is trying to say they're better because they're cross-drilled and slotted, but many people will dispute those features being better than the plain rotors.

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Well lets just say better is a relative term. I agree that the 99+ brembos are a sufficient rotor for the 13" setup. Some guys value the bling bling value of crossdrilled rotors. Does nothing for performance but some still might call them "better"

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Okay, I gotcha.


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Very interesting thread. This is new to me.
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If you look at these images you will see the difference in thickness of the rotors. The BAER Eradispeed rotors that came in my kit have way more material than a Brembo/Ford OE rotor. They also offer a Limited lifetime warranty against warping.
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Anyone have a pic of the modified fox spindles? I'm curious as to what they look like.

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I want a set of eradispeeds...too bad it's $500 for a set

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I want a set of eradispeeds...too bad it's $500 for a set
Wow, we must be WAY underpriced
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7994450002

My next set of rotors will probably be Eradispeed-Plus', just because I can, and of course the good deal I can get.

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Those are the 2-peice versions. I meant the 1-peice versions. I forget the exact number but i beleive it was around $500 for all 4 for a Cobra. I could be wrong. It's been a while since i looked

EDit: FOunds the fronts for $250. I can't imagine the rears being more than that

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hopup1/baresierrose5.html

But yeah, a front and rear set of the 2-peice versions would be awesome. But i have better things to spend $900 on.

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If you look at these images you will see the difference in thickness of the rotors. The BAER Eradispeed rotors that came in my kit have way more material than a Brembo/Ford OE rotor.
There was some interesting discussion about rotor thicknesses vs. air gap over on cc.com a couple years ago - http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...6&page=1&pp=40 (look towards the end of the 2nd page and into the 3rd page). The thicker rotor faces are good for heat capacity, but it also means the rotors weigh more, and it means the cooling vanes are thinner. So it's a compromise, not sure that thread ever came to a consensus on which is better - more mass or more airflow.

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They also offer a Limited lifetime warranty against warping.
I'm guessing that limited lifetime warranty says they won't help you out if you warp them on track.

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Let me know if you need the M2300k cobra spindles - I have a set on 88 low mileage control arms gathering dust. Personally, I would ditch the 4 lugs. Future compatibility with rotors and wheels is a real PITA. Get the Baer setup so the wheel offset is reasonable for front and rear wheel rotation. The 2300K kit widens the rear track and makes everything difficult.

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Too bad those Baer rotors are so blingy...
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and makes everything difficult.
How so?

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I would think that the M2300K kit would be perfect to rotate 17x8s with 245s. I have the stock length rear and I HATED how far in my 17x8s where in the rear. Now if you want to run 17x9s I see the problems.

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I think you're right there. 275's on 17x9's are always a "stretch" up front, but nice to have for grip

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Now if you want to run 17x9s I see the problems.
Exactly, but I don't think that makes everything difficult just because you can only run a 9" wheel with a certain backspacing with the longer axles.

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Too bad those Baer rotors are so blingy...
I got my rotors with just slots.


I don't have any pictures of the modified Fox spindle. If you have a copy of the October 2003 Mustang Enthusiast there is a really good article on the Baer Fox kit install. That article used the modified Fox spindle kit. It had really good pictures of the spindles.

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Exactly, but I don't think that makes everything difficult just because you can only run a 9" wheel with a certain backspacing with the longer axles.
One of the nice things about the Baer kit with Fox spindles is it doesn't widen the front or rear track. The Baer kit using the SN95 spindles doesn't wider the rear either. Baer uses Fox length axles unlike the Ford 2300K.
On the minus side with the Baer Fox spindle your limited on you wheel selection. With the 2300K you don't have issues with the dust cap or hub fitting on the SN95 wheels. Look at the picture of the I posted with the wheel off. You can see the dust cap etc.

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I thought that the Baer kit widened the rear around 1/4"?

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The BAER kit widens the rear track .175"/4.4mm VS. the 2300K .750"/19mm. Sorry about that.
Another thing about the BAER kit is you get 12" rotors in the rear.

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There was some interesting discussion about rotor thicknesses vs. air gap over on cc.com a couple years ago - http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...6&page=1&pp=40 (look towards the end of the 2nd page and into the 3rd page). The thicker rotor faces are good for heat capacity, but it also means the rotors weigh more, and it means the cooling vanes are thinner. So it's a compromise, not sure that thread ever came to a consensus on which is better - more mass or more airflow.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Thermal mass is nice if you want to store energy (heat). Up to a certain point it is good. Storing energy is good for the street when you arent continually braking and building up heat. On the track you want to get rid of that heat energy though. The Brembos have more surface area in the center that ducted air would provide superior cooling over the Eradispeed rotors.

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I got my rotors with just slots.
Not so blingy.

Are those Baer calipers in your pics functionally the same as Cobras?
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Not so blingy.

Are those Baer calipers in your pics functionally the same as Cobras?
Yep, they're all made by PBR.

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Even uses the same pads.

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