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Ever drag race your autocross car??

Whats the best time you ran? What was your 60'? Mods, etc.


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My '00 is set up for roadrace/autocross but I've taken it down the 1/4 before. I ran [email protected] with a 1.99 60-ft on street tires. It would run mid-high 11s with a drag setup and slicks but I like taking corners better. Didn't really launch it - just slipped the clutch a little out of the hole from like 1500 rpm to keep it from smokin' 'em. I've got the full Maximum Motorsports torque arm/panhard setup with 350lb/in coilovers up front and 450lb/in springs in the stock location out back. The powertain is an '03 Cobra motor with the stock pulley, T-56, and 4.10s out back.


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I used to, when I ran drag radials. They were my full-time rear tire. At the time I had stock heads and cam and bottom end, and the year I last won a regional class autocross championship I ran a 13.56 @ 101-ish on a 1.98-ish 60 foot. Suspension mods in sig, but at the time I didn't have the big brakes and 17's or the roll bar, I had stock brakes and 16's.

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My 96 Cobra with complete Griggs front end (350lb coilovers), MM phb, Griggs rear weight jacker arms and C springs with minor engine boltons has gone 8.08 @86 in the 1/8 with a 1.6 60 ft. No weight reduction other than rear seat and k-member
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My 96 Cobra with complete Griggs front end (350lb coilovers), MM phb, Griggs rear weight jacker arms and C springs with minor engine boltons has gone 8.08 @86 in the 1/8 with a 1.6 60 ft. No weight reduction other than rear seat and k-member
thats a nice 60', what gears are you running?

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I'll chime in for him.........he's probably out at the "weekly ricer meet" spot.

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I've run 11.8 @ 117 with a 1.66 60' on 275/40-17 drag radials. Launched just above idle (maybe 1500 RPM) and had to feed in the throttle carefully and go easy on the shifts.
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I've run a best of 15.4xx at something in the upper 87s with a 2.1 60'. Oh, that's my Subaru family sedan , about 200hp and 3200# with me in it. It has an aluminum flywheel and doesn't have enough guts to pull the car out of the hole - too much traction (AWD), not enough power. It's quick enough to win SM, though, and generally to place 2nd fastest overall (raw times) out here in Hawaii.

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I took my stock SVO out there.

ran a 14.8 @ 92 mph with a 2.4 60'

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Those are 1/4 mile ETs?
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I used to, when I ran drag radials. They were my full-time rear tire.
Exactly what i do now. Nittos for open track/autoX/drag racing/street, just air pressure difference .

With my SC i've got a 1.88 60' times (12.2/117). I havent taken my car to the drag strip yet with the turbos.

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Whats the best time you ran? What was your 60'? Mods, etc.
sure. mine is 'open track' minded, but I ran a 12.3 @114mph on drag radials. This is a pure NA motor. My suspension is pretty tight and weight has been added via beefed up suspension upgrades. picture HERE and HERE

ps: just ran at gingerman (w/ SVTOA). Drag racing is fun, but just doesn't compare...IMHO of course

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Exactly what i do now. Nittos for open track/autoX/drag racing/street, just air pressure difference .

With my SC i've got a 1.88 60' times (12.2/117). I havent taken my car to the drag strip yet with the turbos.
Not to hijack the thread, but one of the reasons I don't run the DR's anymore is I didn't want to change tires for open track and I didn't trust their weak sidewall on road courses. Are you running the 555R (drag radial) or the 555R II ("road course" tire)?
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ps: just ran at gingerman (w/ SVTOA). Drag racing is fun, but just doesn't compare...IMHO of course

Anyone know of a place to go for "OTA" (open track anonymous)?

particularly non-stock 99 Cobra w/brand C motor...
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Those are 1/4 mile ETs?
Well, he just said DRAG RACE, and 1/8ths are about all we have here locally. So yea, those are 1/8th mile numbers. Surely you didn't REALLY think that was 1/4, now did yoU?
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If I did, would I have asked the question?

The standard seems to be 1/4 mile, so anyone who claims a 1/8 mile set of numbers oughtta specify that.
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Hell, if you asked a "visitor" to this area "what they ran", and they told you something like 10.50's.........you'd be like, "Damn!, that is SLOW! My civic went 9.80'[email protected]!"

All while the "visitor" was meaning 10.50..........in the 1/4.
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If I did, would I have asked the question?

The standard seems to be 1/4 mile, so anyone who claims a 1/8 mile set of numbers oughtta specify that.
We just run the fun half around here.

If you can't get it done in the 1/8th, you can't get it done in the 1/4. I can't get it done in either.
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If you can't get it done in the 1/8th, you can't get it done in the 1/4. I can't get it done in either.
Well, some cars that can't get it done in the 1/8th can get it done in the 1/4. Back when my car was slightly milder (low 12s on slicks), there was an old homemade twin turbo Mopar land yacht I ran against pretty often. He'd run like a 2.0/2.1 60' to my high 1.6, and I'd usually still have a car or two on him at the 1/8. But then he'd blow by me and win by about 7 cars in the 1/4. Big power, stock rear gear, and an automatic. And quite a character driving it. After a couple years he had a homemade alky injection from a fire extinguisher, and was running mid-high 10s at over 130 MPH.

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Not to hijack the thread, but one of the reasons I don't run the DR's anymore is I didn't want to change tires for open track and I didn't trust their weak sidewall on road courses. Are you running the 555R (drag radial) or the 555R II ("road course" tire)?
I am running the 555R. Last time when i went to VIR, everyone was like ARE YOU NUTS?... honestly i put 39PSI, and after every session they were around 42-43PSI and they don't feel too bad. hmm.. maybe i just got used to them. They grab like hell, but I assume that during turning they flex a little.

Honestly i hate changing rims/tires, on top of the fact that in the street my car jumps from 330lbs-torque to 540lbs-torque between 2800rpms and 3500rpms, so is hard to find a tire that will not spin too bad. I guess i can try the 555R II, and buy some cheap rims to put the 555R when i go to a 1/4mile event.

Do you think they are not safe?

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well, they do flex a lot and if you have quicktime I can send you a vid from outside my car when I used to autocross on them. Might be an eye-opener
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well, they do flex a lot and if you have quicktime I can send you a vid from outside my car when I used to autocross on them. Might be an eye-opener
I'd like to see that vid. For what its worth, I ran 285x35x18 nitto drags at gingerman last weekend (rear only; nitto 555 streets in front). This was in 95' heat. I pressued them to 38lbs and they performed very well and prevented oversteer to a greater degree. And not trying to be Ego-centric here, but I followed my lines well and was passing/lapping most all of my fellow noobies. Point here is I wasn't on a Sunday drive. The drags held up until the last heat. At that point I definetly felt them 'mush out'. I would like to pick up some nitto RII, but they are very expensive!!!

I'll prolly have to run the drags at mid-ohio as well

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well, they do flex a lot and if you have quicktime I can send you a vid from outside my car when I used to autocross on them. Might be an eye-opener
Please do. hector at crossroadonline dot com

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I'd like to see that vid. For what its worth, I ran 285x35x18 nitto drags at gingerman last weekend (rear only; nitto 555 streets in front). This was in 95' heat. I pressued them to 38lbs and they performed very well and prevented oversteer to a greater degree. And not trying to be Ego-centric here, but I followed my lines well and was passing/lapping most all of my fellow noobies. Point here is I wasn't on a Sunday drive. The drags held up until the last heat. At that point I definetly felt them 'mush out'. I would like to pick up some nitto RII, but they are very expensive!!!

I'll prolly have to run the drags at mid-ohio as well
Have you looked into Khumo? They make very decent street legal road race tires and the price is reasonable ~$150. I think I will go one step further and get a set of Victoracers for the track only. A lot of the advanced guys at Gingerman seem to run them. Now I have to find a set of 03/04 Cobra OEM wheels at a cheap price. Humm... maybe some Forgelines. Now I am day dreaming.

By the way, I noticed, while looking at the photographer's pictures that my Michelin Pilot tires were wrapping under the rim like a Nerf ball. I can only image how bad the drag radials must be.

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My 92 street/track car went 12.2 @ 117 on slicks, and a 13.0 @ 117 on Nitto 555RII's. It had the full MM setup (k-member, TA/PB, coilovers all around 425lb front/300lb rear springs) the 60' was like a 2.1 w/ the Nittos (not warmed up) and a 1.8 with the slicks, leaving just above idle for both sets of tires. I was running a 347 with a weight of ~3350 with driver.

My current track Mustang has a tired stock motor with all the bolt ons and feels like a solid low 14, or high 13 second car. This car has the full Griggs setup and runs RA1's or 555RII's depending on the event. (weighs 3310 with driver, car is fully caged)

The 93 ex-FHP Mustang I'm building as a race only car will have the same 347 motor in it, but a 5-link rear suspension/Griggs front, and only weigh about 2800lbs with driver. However since it doesn't have door glass they more then likely won't let me run it at the drag strip.
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By the way, I noticed, while looking at the photographer's pictures that my Michelin Pilot tires were wrapping under the rim like a Nerf ball. I can only image how bad the drag radials must be.
Funny enough, one guy i met at VIR sent me his video, and i paid attention to my rear end, since i felt it a little lose (i am installing an adj. rear swaybar). I can't see the tires since the quality of the video is not the best, and because only when the damn viper slowed down he gets close to me

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Here's the vid of my car in the good old days when I was actually competitive in the class, at least locally. These were 245/50-16's and I would expect shorter sidewalls to flex less, but I'd still be concerned about flex and resulting heat buildup on a road course.

pause or slo-mo the vid in the 6-second range and you can see how much the tire tucks under.

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Have you looked into Khumo? They make very decent street legal road race tires and the price is reasonable ~$150. I think I will go one step further and get a set of Victoracers for the track only. A lot of the advanced guys at Gingerman seem to run them. Now I have to find a set of 03/04 Cobra OEM wheels at a cheap price. Humm... maybe some Forgelines. Now I am day dreaming.

By the way, I noticed, while looking at the photographer's pictures that my Michelin Pilot tires were wrapping under the rim like a Nerf ball. I can only image how bad the drag radials must be.
I will look into the Khumo, thanks. But remember that currently I run 18" rims, so they will undoubtly be pricier... Vicotracers are a good track tire, but are heavy as hell. I owned some a couple of years back. Victos are 'dangerous' until you heat them up. I mean they are like glass until brought to operating temp, so dont use them on the street IMHO. As far as rims go, I was hoping to find some 03' anniversary rims.
PS: I may look to unload my saleen chromies at the end of the season. They are great looking rims, but are not the best for open track IMHO... as for viewing my nittos (under a hard-corner)........I'd rather not see it. LOL

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damn.. that's a lot of flex.. do you remember if what kind of pressure you used to have in the tires?..

I found these pics (DUW !!!) :
I believe oak tree (not too fast turn) : http://www.blackstripes.net/Pics/VIR/VIR_MD26.JPG
Faster turn: http://www.blackstripes.net/Pics/VIR/VIR_MD89.JPG

Doesnt look THAT bad

My nittos don't have too much life... i am still debating... I guess, i can some cheap 17x10 to put the nittos.. oh wait.. there is not such a thing as cheap 17x10 rims..

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IIRC I used to run about 36 in the rear for autocrossing. Yours don't look like they're flexing too bad at all, surprising.
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IIRC I used to run about 36 in the rear for autocrossing. Yours don't look like they're flexing too bad at all, surprising.
Well, i think is more a visual effect since my rims are too narrow for the tires. I think i am 1/2 inch narrower than i should be. With the nittos is hard to say what you actually need since the tires are definetely narrower than other brands.

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[email protected] with a 2.04 60ft. I think I had 245/50-16 Comp TAs at the time. I might have had my Griggs torque arm with Eibach springs.
[email protected] with a 2.0x 60ft. I had the full Griggs setup at the time. The tires were old 255/40-17 Nitto 501's. I have Trick Flow heads, F303 cam, Cobra intake, and 3.55 gears in a '93GT.
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I am going to get rid of these F1's and try the 315 35 17 nitto DR.

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