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Best Panhard Bar for a Fox.

I think it's time to go pro and bail on my homemade piece. It was the best I could do at the time over a weekend with rented torces and a welder. It made a noticeable difference, but I want something more substantial now that I have it off.

I can only find the MMPHB for this car. Is that all there is?



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Not sure if there is a best one but I am using the Griggs on mine (it came with the car) and like it. My car is a 88 Notch, what are you running? I am sure they all work the same so you probably will not go wrong with any of them and Jack from MM actually posts here so I am sure he could help you.

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Looks like Griggs is still selling them.

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I think it's time to go pro and bail on my homemade piece. It was the best I could do at the time over a weekend with rented torces and a welder. It made a noticeable difference, but I want something more substantial now that I have it off.

I can only find the MMPHB for this car. Is that all there is?
PHBs are pretty simple things, so there isn't going to be a whole lot of difference among them as far as "substantial" is concerned - including your DIY PHB. It'll be things like ease of and range of adjustability (for axle centering), roll center height adjustability (if you're into that sort of thing) and end bushing/rod end details ("feel" and NVH) where there might be enough differences to sway your decision.

I don't know if you've changed anything else in your Fox-body's rear suspension, but a PHB works best in a Fox with either a torque arm, a real 3-link, or at least a "poor man's 3-link". Stiffer bushings in the OE triangulated UCAs is very definitely not the hot tip here.


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I have a Griggs adjustable unit; I broke the axle-side mount a while back auto-xing the car for many years on sticky tires. A buddy of mine who used to run CMC had a spare and told me it was a known issue to CMCers.

My two complaints against the MM unit are lack of adjustability and it mounts to the axle on the wrong side to counteract certain rearend forces. However, I doubt 90% of drivers need the adjustability and/or would notice the other issue. MM's piece ceertainly seems to be a great one, as is their customer service.

Whiteline may also make one.
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Thanks for the replies.. I was on Griggs site last night, and I couldn't find a PHB... lol Thanks for the link.

Reading his description, it seems there's some disagreement on how long and low the bar should be. I'm no chassis engineer, but I think a longer bar is better for the street because there's less arch through the range of motion. My homemade piece has a pretty long bar, and I can still feel the axle move back and forth on big bumps.. He mentions a higher roll center is better on the street in the rain, but this car isn't that> I don't drive in the rain unless I get caught out there..

There isn't a lot of options for this car because it's old! A Torque arm setup would be great, but not right now. At least I have Megabite Jr's set to Road Race. It was a big difference in grip compared to stock, but I'm sure it doesn't have the articulation of a TA..
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He mentions a higher roll center is better on the street in the rain
Where did you find that, and what justification was given?


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Who cares about something being better in the rain on the street, dont screw around in the rain on the street. What matters is track performance.

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Where did you find that, and what justification was given?


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In the PHB description.. Griggs Racing Products
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I read that , and "Roll center height is designed for street use with wet pavement in mind." still doesn't tell me anything really useful.

Actually, I'd argue that in the wet, quickly taking a set might not be the hot tip. Generally, you soften things up to slow the dynamics down in the wet in order to not "shock" the tires in their compromised-grip condition.


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Who cares about something being better in the rain on the street
Anybody whose track day car pulls double duty as their daily or weekend car should. Anybody who drives wet sessions at track days without being a moving chicane for everybody else in the run group.

If you're serious enough to worry about rear RCH in the dry vs in the wet, you should be running a fully adjustable suspension anyway


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Does the MMPHB clear a beefy Dif Cover?
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It clears any gear cover advertised as low profile.

One of the main differences between PHBs is what exhaust systems they can be used with.

The other very significant difference is the difference in stiffness of the mounting. This is going to be much more important than whether the rod is 36" or 39" long.

A high rear roll center is good in the rain if you want to drift a lot

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Cool then. I'm going 3.27, so I might as well put a new cover on. I think the Ford Racing looks the best and is supposed to be shallow..
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Anybody whose track day car pulls double duty as their daily or weekend car should. Anybody who drives wet sessions at track days without being a moving chicane for everybody else in the run group.

If you're serious enough to worry about rear RCH in the dry vs in the wet, you should be running a fully adjustable suspension anyway


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I double duty my track car fox, so i understand that and i understadn wet track day sessions. What im saying is why buy a performance part for wet weather street driving, if im on the street and its wet take it easy, im not trying to wreck the car or hurt someone.

Ill think any panhard bar you will be fine in the wet, #### i rallycrossed my fox in snow with summer NT555 tyres,

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Went with Maximum Motorsports Pan Hard set up on my FOX, have zero complaints about any of their Parts.

On another note, that's an impressive HOME MADE one you made.

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Ahh thanks man! It looks good in a crappy online pic.. lol

I ordered a MMPHB, so I'll be joining the club. I'm not winning any races, so I'm sure it will be great on the street. I need to get a Torque Arm and some rear Coilovers now. But that's down the line.

If I had the cash, I'd get the whole Griggs setup. The front end deal they offer is the real thing. I still watch this vid, and try to see the apexes as if I were driving. This car sticks, and it's insane..

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Went with Maximum Motorsports Pan Hard set up on my FOX, have zero complaints about any of their Parts.

On another note, that's an impressive HOME MADE one you made.
What size tires are those?
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What size tires are those?
Nitto 555s (275s)
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Cool then. I'm going 3.27, so I might as well put a new cover on. I think the Ford Racing looks the best and is supposed to be shallow..
IIRC, the Ford Racing differential cover for the S197 chassis will clear the panhard bar. I have it and the MM setup. Very pleased with it. I can run tailpipes; it's tight in there but they fit.
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IIRC, the Ford Racing differential cover for the S197 chassis will clear the panhard bar. I have it and the MM setup. Very pleased with it. I can run tailpipes; it's tight in there but they fit.
What it WON'T do, is clear the factory swaybar. Not on my car anyway.
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Ahh thanks man! It looks good in a crappy online pic.. lol

I ordered a MMPHB, so I'll be joining the club. I'm not winning any races, so I'm sure it will be great on the street. I need to get a Torque Arm and some rear Coilovers now. But that's down the line.

If I had the cash, I'd get the whole Griggs setup. The front end deal they offer is the real thing. I still watch this vid, and try to see the apexes as if I were driving. This car sticks, and it's insane..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzpD...A8CD6A5F4ECCBE
I agree, that dude is flat out hooking up that course. Impressive.
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What it WON'T do, is clear the factory swaybar. Not on my car anyway.
Yeah, that's a tight fit too at the bottom right in front of the drain plug. But it does clear on my car.

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Just got it today from LMR. Looks like they're shipping it with the bare aluminum Bar.

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Just got it today from LMR. Looks like they're shipping it with the bare aluminum Bar.

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As far as I know, they always have.

I had a Griggs Torque Arm and Panhard Bar installed on my 89 coupe. I cut them both out and replaced them with Maximum Motorsports parts. The Griggs parts, while they worked, felt very much "less engineered" than the MM parts. I had a terrible time with exhaust clearance, which ultimately played a huge part in my decision. I have never had a problem with any part that has arrived from MM. The quality is top notch. Plus, Mr. Hidley posts here helping all of us out in the tech sections. Also, and it's been about four or five years now, but he even set up a Skype session with me to explain an installation question I had. It was at 3 AM California time because I was working night shift!!! I don't know when the guy sleeps! Can you name another company that would do something like that?
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Got it in there after my Rear Gear and Subframes.. Kind of a pain, but not the hardest thing I ever did.

Now it's onto the Gas Tank and Fuel Lines. Then The motor..

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Griggs panhard with full exhaust

Does anybody here run a Griggs panhard with full exhaust and tailpipes..??? If so what brand are u using and how's the fit.....???
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The previous owner of my car said he had a full exhaust on it and was running the Griggs Panhard and heavy duty Torque arm. I know it can be done, but am not sure what exhaust he was running. I have the dumps on it now with the same Griggs stuff installed. He posts on here as Yogibear357 if you want to message him.
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Ill just go out of the Roush side exit exhaust I have when I install the MM panhard bar & forget it....I need to finish my Roush bodykit amyway.
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