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post #1 of 12 Old 01-07-2016, 01:00 AM Thread Starter
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Hawk HPS 5.0

I am a newbie that has been drag racing for 20+ years and have built my latest Mustang to handle. Looking to see if anyone has any experience with this pad? It seems that for a street/autocross pad the general consensus is the HPS. My assumption is that the HPS is 10+ year old technology and this pad is supposed to be slightly better, newer tech, but maybe I am overthinking this? Sorry if this has been discussed somewhere before, I looked but could not find anything and there is not much info out there on the web yet. Thanks for the help.

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- '92 5-sp LX coupe, T5, 3.27s, 1-5/8 shorties, Bassani catted x-pipe, 2.5 Dynomax VT's, MGW shifter
- TW170, stock cam, Holley intake, BBK 70mm TB, ProM 80mm MAF, 255lph pump, Vortech V2, A2A intercooler, Al rad, 130amp alt, solid mounts
- MM FLSC,MM K-member/A-arms, Steeda coilovers, 325# springs, MM cc plates, Koni Yellow SA's, stock swaybar w/ urethane bushings
- GMS adj rear LCA's, MM HDtorque arm/panhard bar, 43TA7 rear springs, stock swaybar, Koni Yellow SA's
- SN95 Cobra brakes, 10th anniversary Cobra 18x10 wheels

Car is not a daily driver but definitely not a track only toy. Still has a/c, p/s, p/w and no plans to change that. I plan to start with local autocross, hopefully this year to get a feel for the car before stepping up to any HPDE.


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Are you planning to run R compound tires?


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No, tires are next to be purchased and I am looking to run in CAM eventually so a 200TW tire will be selected. Originally planned on RE-71R but I am not sure how it will do with trips up to the Dragon and such. Would it be better to go with a Michelin PSS or RE-11, something that would last on the street and still provide great grip? I know seat time is the most critical component and have heard many times to just run cheap tires to learn on but don't want to handicap myself too much. Thoughts...?

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What tires are on the car now? As for the pads, the HPS designation my be old but I don't believe the pad compound has remained static for all these years. In any event I've found the HPS to be a great A/X and street pad, as well as adequate for beginning HPDEs/PDXs. They are also easy on rotors, low dusting and relatively inexpensive performance pads.
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^^^ Sure you're not talking about the HP+, not the HPS? I wouldn't call the HPS a performance pad (despite the abbreviation).

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It seems Hawk has a new version of the HPS called the HPS 5.0 but I don't have any experience with it. High Performance Street 5.0 | Hawk Performance
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New to a degree, been reading up on them and have seen reviews dating back to '14 and it seem they bridge the gap between HPS and HP+. As of right now I have not purchased tires, probably by the end of the month. I recently sold my 17" setup to fund my 18's to have a better choice of tires. 275/35/18 is what I am going to run but still up in the air as to which tire. The wife and I like taking trips up to N Georgia mountains for some mountain carving so something streetable and as I stated above, am going to start with local autox to get my feet wet. PSS leads the options now, followed by Cont DW and BF SportComp 2 which are all close in price. I know to win in CAM it has to be RE71R, RS3 or Rival but that is really far away right now. Although, the car should be more than capable to compete(locally) and equipping it to do so may help me progress sooner.

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^^^ Sure you're not talking about the HP+, not the HPS? I wouldn't call the HPS a performance pad (despite the abbreviation).
Nope - HP+ dusts and squeals; a bit hard on rotors too. I suppose we could debate where the line is between stock replacement and performance. This applies as we go up the scale as well.

What I do know is the HPS provides a wide range of benefits for a novice driver. The price point, performance and wear characteristics are acceptable. Perhaps the 5.0s are the better choice but without some feedback, my recommendation is based upon my own experience as a novice.
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I ran HPS pads on my 4 lug disc brake setup with the 73mm front calipers and turbo coupe rears, and they were just fine. Lasted an entire track day at watkins glen with very few issues/ fade. Im running HP+ pads now on my new setup and while they are better, they are noisy on the street [theyre not street pads] until you really heat them up. I did not have these issues with the hps pads. If you join SCCA, some of the benefits are discounts at various brake pad suppliers.

For reference, the previously mentioned setup was kyb struts, eibach springs, 255 falken tires on 16", and around 300hp, so the car wasnt too rough on the pads to begin with.
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For what it's worth, I talked to Hawk today and the tech I spoke with has these pads on a SN95 with the factory brakes. He is using SportComp2 tires and said they were not overwhelmed by the brakes. He stated it was a noticeable increase in braking ability over the HPS with slightly more dust but it is easy to wash off. So far they have heard nothing but good from customers and the reviews I have found online are all positive but none related to a Mustang chassis so it was nice to get his take, although probably slightly biased

I went ahead and ordered them up, had a $20 coupon from eBay so they were $91 and then I will get the matching rears once I get all my other needed parts up for order from Summit. Review to come in the future.

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Sounds good. I highly reccomend the sn95 cobra brake setup if you are ever in the market.
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- SN95 Cobra brakes, 10th anniversary Cobra 18x10 wheels
Already have them.

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'92 Coupe - Full MM suspension, koni SA, stock bottom end,stock cam,TW170,Systemax,V-2SQ,42s,Treadstone A2A 552h/541t out of fuel @ 5200 Kurgan tuned.
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